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  1. Butch5

    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    No Scripture? Surely you jest? 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. (Jn. 1:7-9...
  2. Butch5

    freewill? na

    Justin and others show us what was first taught as Christian doctrine. Free will was first taught as Christian doctrine. As I pointed out, it was the Gnostics who said all things were fated. Yes, as I pointed out, it's all come from God. There would be no salvation apart from God. However...
  3. Butch5

    freewill? na

    Looking at the early church shows us what was taught in the beginning. There are many statements about man having free will. It's interesting that you dismiss the early church but then claim church councils as proof of your claim. It seems you only accept that information that seems to fit what...
  4. Butch5

    freewill? na

    Did you read my signature? It too is from Justin Marty. And for this [rite] we have learned from the apostles this reason. Since at our birth we were born without our own knowledge or choice, by our parents coming together, and were brought up in bad habits and wicked training; in order that we...
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    freewill? na

    What is your argument here? The passages in Exodus refer to Israel and say nothing of salvation. Likewise 1 John 4:19 says nothing of salvation. So how have you established that God chooses who will be saved? Of course the first effort is on God's part. The very life of a person comes from God...
  6. Butch5

    Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

    Context. There is nothing in Scripture that says Jesus was fully two different things. Actually, we find that He wasn't. Being in the image of God He emptied Himself. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not...
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    freewill? na

    Augustine had quite a bit wrong with his theology. His previous Manichean beliefs seemed to influence his understanding of Christianity. The Early Christians argued against this idea of Fatalism, that all things are fated. Here is a excerpt from Justin Martyr from around 160 AD. Justin Martyr...
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    Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

    One can't be fully two different things. One can be fully one or the other, not both.
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    freewill? na

    Ah, the free will argument again. The early church writers put this to rest when they refuted the Gnostics.
  10. Butch5

    Loneliness

    That's true. My point is that not everything Jesus said, applies to all Christians.
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    Loneliness

    He said He had only come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So His ministry was to the Jews. He told the apostles that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. That doesn't pertain to all Christians.
  12. Butch5

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Yes, they are one in unity. Jesus said, 'not my will but thine be done.'
  13. Butch5

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    What mystery?
  14. Butch5

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    What does that mean "Jesus is God"? I don't think there is a mystery concerning God and Christ. I think what people claim today appears to be a mystery because many are unwilling to admit that it is a logical contradiction. For some reason people have chosen to believe that which is illogical...
  15. Butch5

    OSAS Question

    Sorry, but I have no idea what you're getting at.
  16. Butch5

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Yes, they are one, in unity. 'Not my will, butt thine be done'.
  17. Butch5

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Can you elaborate?
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    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    It's really important to keep things in context when discussing this subject. Remember, Jesus said the words He spoke were not His but the Fathers. Also keep in mind that after the Resurrection all authority was given to Christ. However, Paul makes it clear that even though Christ had all...
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    The Doctrine Of The Trinity As Taught in Scripture

    Except that there are two, not three. Also, Elohim can be a superlative in which case it can refer to one God as in the royal we.