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  1. Butch5

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    I did above. The key to Gen. 2:7 is that the man, the body "became" a living soul after God breathed into it. Thus a living soul requires a body. The words translated soul in the Bible, Nephesh and Psuche, are used two ways. They are used concretely of a living being and abstractly as life...
  2. Butch5

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    My point is that Lazarus and the Rich Man is not what literally happens to the dead.
  3. Butch5

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    A dead body is a dead soul. A soul requires a body. The body was formed from the dust. The ground is the elements of the earth. Before God breathed into the body He created it was neither alive nor dead. Agreed, the thing formed is a body, is called man. Man is the body animated by the breath...
  4. Butch5

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    Aren't bodies dead and buried, the dead? So you said it's about what happens to the dead. However, you failed to show how that fits the context of what is written. Pulling the passage from its context and imposing on it doesn't prove your understanding is correct. There's a reason Jesus spoke...
  5. Butch5

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    It shows that the story is actually a parable and not a literal event.
  6. Butch5

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    Again, you didnt address the issue.
  7. Butch5

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    I showed it to you in English. Maybe you study the Scriptures instead of parroting what you hear.
  8. Butch5

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    So, you ignored all that I wrote. No I didn't agree. If you read it carefully I pointed out that you tried to shift the focus. The issue isn't whether or not the Bible has judgments against Israel, it's whether or not the parable is one. Sure it is. Read your post. I didn't give a rendition. I...
  9. Butch5

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    That's one tho God doesn't make a body living with a soul. He makes it living with breath or spirit. A body with the breath or spirit of God becomes a living soul. You are correct that it is God's that gives life. It is His breath or spirit that is in man that does that. However, that breath or...
  10. Butch5

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    @Taken So, you start off with a logical fallacy, a straw man, about the Bible contain judgments of Israel. Of course it does. But that's not what is at issue. What is at issue is whether or not the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a judgment against Israel, the priesthood, or not. I...
  11. Butch5

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    Do you actually answer questions or do you always deflect? Deflecting is a clear sign that you're wrong.
  12. Butch5

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    It's not a lie. When I showed you that Gehenna doesn't burn forever you simply dismissed the prophecy in Jeremiah that proves it. Your Greek philosophical belief isn't true. That's the basis for your belief that people will be tormented forever. As long as you continue in it you won't be able...
  13. Butch5

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    As usual you didn't address anything you just made some snide comment.
  14. Butch5

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    That's funny coming from the guy who rejects Scripture
  15. Butch5

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    If you understood the text you'd realize that statement is ridiculous. I'm still waiting for you to produce the dead people who can speak
  16. Butch5

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    And so, without considering any evidence whatsoever you reject what I said. This is why so many continue in ignorance. Rather than hearing all of the evidence people choose what evidence they want to hear and reject whatt they don't want to hear. What did Paul say about itching ears? Your...
  17. Butch5

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    Firstly, I would contend that this parable or allegory is actually a judgment against Israel. At the end of the parable of the vine dressers in Mathew 21 Jesus told the chief priests and elders that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. This...
  18. Butch5

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    It's a parable. It starts like the one before it. When we understand what man is from a Biblical standpoint as opposed to a Greek standpoint it becomes obvious that it's a parable. Dead people can't speak. The Scriputres tell is that the dead know nothing and that their reasoning perishes the...
  19. Butch5

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    Sorry, I didnt see anything about lava in any of those passages. Regarding Isaiah, look at the passage. God said those coming to worship Him would look upon the bodies of those who had transgressed against Him. He didnt say anything about war atrocities. As I said, Jesus, in Mark 9, indicates...
  20. Butch5

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    Can you show us where this place with lava is? The Lake of Fire is not described as a place of eternal torment. People get that idea from reading a mistranslation of the word aion. If you read post 313 you'll see the the Lake of Fire will one day be made holy to the Lord. Also, if you read...