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All have strayed and fallen short of the glory of God because we all have a sin nature. These were given the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you.

Thanks BlessedPeace. The reason for this thread is that some on this board were having trouble believing that the Holy Spirit did not indwell OT saints, that it only came upon them for a time and then left. I was merely trying to present a different way of looking at God's plans, not trying...

Thanks Randy. Excellent answer. The model for the world had its sins temporarily atoned for by the blood of animals followed by cleansing with water. This foreshadowed the forgiveness of sins by the blood of Christ followed by the filling of the Holy Spirit that would come to Christians. It is...

Any thoughts about the timing of Jesus (not John) receiving the Revelation scroll?

God's people in the OT were told not to mingle, while God's people in the NT are told to go into all the world. What is the reason for the change?

I think we all believe Jesus is at the right hand of God. The question is when did Jesus receive the scroll, the moment he ascended to the right hand or at some time in the future? Some are saying Jesus ascended the moment he died, but I am not in agreement with that.

I agree that Abraham's bosom was the state of death. I don't know when Jesus went to the Father in heaven. You seem to say that he did as soon as he died. I don't believe that. Jesus may have ascended into heaven after his resurrection 3 days later or it may have been 40 days later as everyone...

God made us mortal so that when we sinned, we would not have to go to the lake of fire like the immortal angels who sinned.

Who has eaten of the tree of life since sin entered the world? Everyone's body has to die because of sin even though the eternal life of God is already in us. I don't really comprehend a 'spiritual body.' Jesus had one when he rose from the dead. People have some sort of 'tent' or body as...

I think we are talking about 2 different things. I agree that there were OT believers who knew their Messiah was coming. He had just not come yet.

Jesus was present in heaven when he received the scroll. I was trying to make the point that this had to be the moment he ascended into heaven. At any other time, Jesus would have already had the scroll. We agree that the cycles are concurrent. I don't understand how you see the second coming...

Those in Abraham's bosom already died in the flesh. Once the flesh is dead, it's ok to eat of the tree of life and live forever. They would have gone to the LOF if they of the tree of life without having forgiveness of sin. I wonder if Paradise, the Garden of Eden, sunk into the earth during...

Genesis 41: 15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. 16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. In...

Although there is a spiritual component to everything, there is also a matching physical component. Israel rejected God - spiritual. As a result, God punished Israel physically for 70 years in Babylon. Israel still largely rejected God and their 70-year punishment was multiplied according to...

Rev 20:6 " Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." I am with you on everything except the location of Jesus and his resurrected saints...

Thanks ScottA. I will have to think on these things.

As my wife would tell me, "It's all about the relationships." OT saints could have a relationship with a creator God who had been made manifest. They could not have a relationship with a redeemer God who had been promised, but not yet been made manifest. Yes, it is very sad that everyone does...

God did not want anyone who was alive on earth to eat of the tree of life after they had sinned because they would have ended up in the lake of fire. Those in Paradise, also in my opinion called Abraham's bosom, were able to eat of the tree of life. They were unable to ascend into heaven...

Lets try a different approach. Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." This firmament extends from the earth through the stars. It is our physical universe. Are the waters above the firmament invisible?

I agree with this, but when I called it the "good side of hell," there were objections. Any thoughts as to when Abraham saw 'Jesus' day?' A vision when Abraham was alive? Was Abraham watching Jesus from "the good side of hell?" My point in my recent threads is most people conclude that Rev 4:1...