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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Rev 7:9 "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;" Rev 7:14 reveals that these came out of the great...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I agree with everything until "They resurrected" How do you reconcile that they were resurrected when the 1st resurrection doesn't happen until Jesus returns? What do you think about the 144,000 being the first fruits of the resurrection?
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Nobody that was already in heaven needed Jesus to shed his blood for them. The creatures that were already there already had crowns. After Jesus shed his blood in heaven, mankind was able to enter into heaven. Before this time there was a good side and a bad side of hades. See rich man and...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    The point here is that a new song occurs when there is a new redemption for mankind. In Rev 4:11, mankind is redeemed by the knowledge of God through creation. Spirit of man is in good side of Hades. In Rev 5:9, there is a new song because mankind is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb in...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    See post 72. They are not redeemed. They sing the song of the redeemed because the spirits of the redeemed will be arriving in heaven shortly. The redeemed are found in heaven after this time throughout the Revelation. They also sang the song of creation for the spirits of those who knew God...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    They are not people. They were original to heaven. The tabernacle was the pattern on earth to show what existed in heaven. Hebrews 8:5 "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou...
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    Why the difference?

    That's great.
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    Why the difference?

    I have never before thought about those things. I have wondered if any of Adam and Eve's children before the fall were able to remain in the garden free from sin. To teach the myriads of angels about God's mercy. God knew Adam and Eve would sin. Jesus sacrificial death was all part of the...
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    Why the difference?

    That's great. Thanks.
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    Why the difference?

    Thank you for your thoughts. I was just trying to point out that God was in the camp of the Israelites in the OT. If they left the camp, they left God. Now God camps in us, giving us the power to go anywhere. People are having trouble believing that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a NT...
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    Why the difference?

    A physical resurrection was permanent for Jesus when he was raised from the dead. Rev 14:1-5, as I explained in my last post are also a first fruits of the first permanent resurrection as was Jesus. The rest of this harvest which is the first permanent resurrection is found in Rev 14:14-16: 14...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    I certainly don't know anything about the Greek language, but when I looked up shortly in Revelation 1:1 and in Romans 16:20, this is what I found. If I'm wrong about the Greek, I'm wrong. I only have the ability to compare scripture in English. shortly. g1722 ἐν
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    How is it that an all-knowing, all-powerful Jesus Christ, son of God would not have something that the Father has. The only time I can think of when this would be possible is when Jesus became a man. The picture in Revelation 5 must therefore be just before Jesus receives back the glory he had...
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    When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?

    Soon is translated "shortly" in the KJV. Comparing Revelation 1:1 with Romans 16:20 "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen." It seems that shortly can be a long time as I don't believe the bruising of Satan occurred...
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    Why the difference?

    "It is finished" also means "paid in full." Convicts "pay their debt to society." Even in the 1st century, upon release from prison, the prisoner would get a certificate with these words. Jesus paid the sin debt in full on the cross. Hebrews 10: 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember...
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    Why the difference?

    I never heard that. Thanks for sharing and for your well wishes.
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    Why the difference?

    Thanks for participating. I believe everyone answered the question.
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    Why the difference?

    Jesus took care of sin as a slain lamb. Rev 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."...