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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Nope. You have Daniel's record of ancient history chronology totally messed up.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You need to stop telling me what I believe. You are creating strawmen all over the place. That is not what I have written, and is certainly not what scripture teaches that the abomination of desolation was. Luke 21:20 interpreted what the AOD was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by ARMIES"...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I've never written that 167 BC was "the time of the end" that Daniel 12:4 was referring to. Evidently you haven't read enough of my position yet if you presume that is the meaning of my comments. That particular "time of the end" in Daniel 12:4 was the time when the power of Daniel's people...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You mistake why that teaching of Hymenaeus and Philetus was accepted by many of the believers back in those days. These two men were basing their incorrect teaching on the actual bodily resurrection of the Matthew 27:52-53 saints that had been raised from the dead on that same day that Christ...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I am merely quoting scripture, and listing historical events as recorded by ordinary historians. Call it what you will, that doesn't make your analysis correct.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, what Christ said was that those weeping women and their own children would live to experience those disastrous events themselves. It was in their immediate future - not ours. The "Great Tribulation" was called "the days of vengeance" so that everything that was written about those "days of...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I've never read anything by the Jason you mention. Nothing. I am reading Luke from Luke 21:20-21, who interprets what the "abomination of desolation" was, and it was "Jerusalem surrounded by armies". This happened once under Antiochus E. IV, when Daniel 11:31 wrote that "ARMS shall stand on...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Christ on the way to the cross predicted that very wrath of God falling on those in Israel and their children. "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I didn't even bring up the title of the "Day of the Lord". What does that have to do with what I wrote? It is difficult for me to follow your train of thought many times, Timtofly. Lots of bouncing around from one subject to another with some unrelated stuff thrown in.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Never heard of him. I read the scriptures mainly, and dip into the history of the old pagan empires from ordinary online sources, as well as Ussher's Annals of the World, Josephus, and just a bit of the early church fathers. The scriptures are quite plain as to the chronological progression of...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Ummm, yes, the body being "changed" is the way scripture describes it, in both the OT and the NT (Job 14:14-15, 1 Cor. 15:51-54). The dead material remains of our physical body are resurrected and "changed" into an immortal, incorruptible condition that can never die again. That "change" is...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Daniel 11 is a step-by-step chronological description of ancient historical events from the Persian kings on through Alexander the Great, his four generals dividing the Greek empire, the prevailing Seleucid and Ptolemaic branches of the Greek empire with Antiochus E. IV descending from the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I see the scripture putting the Rev. 20 millennium "smack dab in the middle of Adam's punishment". It's as Habakkuk predicted in Hab. 3:2, "O Lord, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy." That "revival" under Zerubbabel and the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, that Rev. 14:14-16 harvest was of the Son of Man alone reaping the "earth". It says nothing there in those verses about gathering the saints from the four winds of heaven yet, as it does for the later harvest which you brought up in Matt. 24:31 where the angels do the reaping. These were...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Some of those Christ spoke to back in Matthew 16:27-28 lived to see His bodily return to the Mount of Olives in AD 70. They were eye-witnesses of it while they were still alive. Christ then returned to heaven in AD 70 taking all of the resurrected saints with Him, for all the saints who had...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, Rev. 14:14-16 says that the Son of Man does the reaping in this particular harvest - no angels participating in this reaping process. This particular "harvest" was for the AD 33 "First resurrection" of Christ and the 144,000 First-fruits, Matthew 27:52-53 saints. No, it's not a fact...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course the dead bodies of men go into the dust of the grave and the spirits of men return to God. That was the decreed fate for Adam's choosing to sin, which fate passed upon all who are in Adam. But that is not the period on the end of the sentence for the dead bodies of the saints. For...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is one proposal that I have read, but it really is not possible. That is because Revelation 15:8 tells us that no man was able to enter heaven's temple until the 7 plagues had been fulfilled. And we know for certain that the 7 plagues were not finished before Christ's ascension. Christ...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    What am I "dreaming up"? The Greek word for that first sickle harvest by the newly-crowned Son of Man sitting on a cloud is "exeranthe", which means "dried up" or "withered". This isn't fresh fruit being harvested here. These were long dead saints who were resurrected by being "harvested" out...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    We believers have been promised that after our physical death, God will "change our vile body" in the resurrection process so that it will be "fashioned like unto His glorious body" (Philippians 3:21). This is a "CHANGE" (not an ex-change that dumps the old body form in the trash). This...