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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Of course they did. You are inventing a "Grade A" and "Grade B" resurrection method, and scripture presents no such differences in the process of a bodily resurrection for the saints. And you are inventing a difference between a physical resurrection from death and the change to immortal life...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    God no longer regards the mass of humanity in terms of Jew and Gentile anymore. Didn't you get the memo about the New Covenant? And even though it was Jewish tribal members that composed the resurrected 144,000 First-fruits back in AD 33 - that was because God still had the 70-week prophecy...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I don't follow your line of reasoning in that statement. If Christ and His disciples were even THEN raising dead individuals in the cities of Israel from the grave to immortal life during "the hour NOW IS" time period of Christ's earthly ministry, how would that put any limitation on people...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No, it makes them the "Firstfruits" of the barley harvest - the FIRST harvest of Israel's agricultural year. The 144,000 First-fruits (the Matt. 27:52-53 resurrected saints) were a limited number - comparable to the wave sheaf handful of barley offered in the temple along with the single...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    When Christ spoke about the hour that "NOW IS", He was speaking of the time back then in the AD 30's - not your time and mine. Back then, individuals on a case-by-case basis were being resurrected to an immortal life (Jairus's daughter, the widow's son, Lazarus, etc.) But I agree that the...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That is a common assumption, but it is not the way that Luke interprets Daniel's "abomination of desolation" phrase. Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 both use only the "abomination of desolation" phrase, but Luke 21:20-21 does the interpreting of that phrase for us, explaining that this AOD was...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Those John 14:1-3 verses were speaking of Christ's promised first-century return - His second coming. Christ predicted that some of those He was speaking to in Matthew 16:27-28 would live to see His coming return in the glory of His Father with the holy angels, when He would give rewards to...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Scripture never speaks about a "One and ONLY coming". This is a common presumption that has no basis of scripture proof at all.
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You need to go back just a couple verses before John 5:28-29, and you will find Christ's prediction of the resurrection of the Matthew 27:52-53 saints. John 5:25 says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    If that were true, then that would make the Jewish 144,000 the "LAST-fruits" instead. But that is not what they were called. Christ the First-fruits and the 144,000 First-fruits were what composed the "First resurrection" event. Christ and the Matthew 27:52-53 saints all being raised from...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Here you are contradicting yourself. That WAS a past "harvest" in Revelation 14:14-16. It was the newly-resurrected and crowned Son of Man who by Himself (no angels assisting at this first resurrection harvest) reaped that "dried" harvest from the earth. Christ on the same day that He was...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    That Antichrist already came and presented himself as the prophesied Messiah, King of the Jews in the Jerusalem temple long ago, back in AD 66. His name was Menahem, son or grandson of Judas the Galilean insurrectionist mentioned in Acts 5:37. Menahem was killed a short time afterward by...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I am accustomed to people debating back and forth about this particular date for the resurrection of Christ, whether AD 30, or AD 33, or other years. At the moment, pinpointing this year is not a critical point for what we are discussing, so I won't go there. But it was most definitely called...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There is more than just two harvests. In Israel, there were no less than THREE harvest feast celebrations, at Passover (the barley harvest), at Pentecost 50 days later (the wheat harvest), and then in the 7th month there was the Feast of Ingathering for all the rest of the crops to be gathered...
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    Perseverance of the Saints is different from Once Saved Always Saved

    As Christ taught in John 7:38-39, once the Holy Spirit takes up residence within a person, it serves as an inexhaustible source of living water springing up within that person that is never removed. You cannot abandon the presence of this Holy Spirit, because Christ promised that His Holy...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    Here is Irenaeus' quote from the very beginning of "Against Heresies" , Book V, Chapter 30. "Although certain as to the number of the name of Antichrist, yet we should come to no rash conclusions as to the name itself, because this number is capable of being fitted to many names. Reasons for...
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    Are there Two or More Resurrections?

    "Are there Two or More Resurrections? YES. That the very reason why John mentions a "FIRST resurrection" in Rev. 20, making it absolutely necessary that there be more than one of these group resurrection events. Mention of a "FIRST" always entails at least a "second" to follow, and allowing...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    No, Irenaeus in his original Greek only wrote that something was seen almost in his days, towards the end of Domitian's reign. But the Greek language terms Irenaeus used never confirm whether it was either John who was seen or if it was the vision which was seen then. Either of these...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    No, that is NOT exactly what Irenaeus wrote. You have at least been honest above in not putting the apocalyptic vision within quote marks. Thank you for that. In Irenaeus's original Greek, it is debatable whether it was JOHN who was seen, or if it was the VISION which was seen almost in...
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    The Dating of the Book of Revelation

    This does not prove a late date. Paul told the Ephesian elders on the day of his departure, "For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after...