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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The Gentiles referred to in Romans 11 who are grafted in through faith are honest-to-goodness non-Israel human beings who are cut off from their wild olive trees, and grafted in to the cultivated olive tree. They are not "remnant of Israel Gentiles".
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    There are two Israels. "Not all Israel is Israel". There is a physical Israel, which is in unbelief, though a remnant thereof has been saved, and then there is another Israel, which is the Israel God promises "all Israel will be saved". Paul says in Galatians 6 "the Israel of God"--in...
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You're a troll right?
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Paul says Abraham and his two wives, Hagar and Sarah, allegorically refer to the two Covenants (Gal 4:21-31). Does that mean Paul is teaching that Abraham and his wives never existed? LOL Of course not. Complain to Paul, not to @Lizbeth.
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    LOL What part of "one new man" don't you understand? All of it, I guess.
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    1. If the "Gentiles" referred to, here, were native to the cultivated tree, Paul would not say they are being grafted in "contrary to nature". he would say "how much more then can these branches be grafted in to their own tree?" 2. Also, again, saying the Gentiles referred to here are the same...
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yep. 1 Co 10, which you cited, makes the comparison.
  8. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Israel/Canaan was the promised Land for the Jews; I believe Christ is the antitype, because "being found in Him not having a righteousness of my own from the Law but a righteousness from God based on faith in Christ", or "walking in the spirit", because "this is the promise He has given us, even...
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Colossians 2:18 Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind.
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    He grafted Gentiles into the wild olive tree? LOL Bro, I'm not even going to read the rest of your mess. Why would God need to graft Gentiles into wild olive trees? The wild olive trees REPRESENT Gentile nations! Which "Gentiles"? The same Gentiles who are not the people who broke Covenant...
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Leviticus 18 "therefore the land vomits out its inhabitants" Revelation 3 "I will vomit you out of My mouth"
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You keep moving the goalposts. The issue isn't whether anyone (Gentile or Jew) can be cut off. The issue is the language he uses debunks your ignorance--wild olive tree branches are grafted contrary to nature into the cultivated olive tree, but "how much more" will the natural olive tree...
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    It's the already-but-not-yet paradigm : on one level, we're already bearing fruit for God with Christ (Ro 7:4); on another level, we are still waiting for the wedding. We already have the spirit of adoption, but we have not yet had the adoption of the body, but we eagerly await it (Ro 8). "The...
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The body of Christ is His bride (the one mentioned in Revelation). Just as Adam's bride was his own body, "bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh". Read Ephesians 5, where it draws the parallel between the relationship of a husband and wife and Christ and the Church. No man hates his own body, but...
  15. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You agreed He dwells in New Jerusalem by His Spirit. God dwells in us. We are New Jerusalem.
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    How does this argument do anything to address or debunk anything I stated about the Church being Christ's own body and bride?
  17. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    If they were "Gentiles" who were "of the remnant of Israel" (LOL!), he would use the same language as he used of the branches that had been broken off from THEIR OWN olive tree, which they are native to--that they were being grafted back in--but, as we see, he describes these Gentile believers...
  18. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    He's really sounding like a "Black Hebrew Israelite"--literally the dumbest, most bereft, emotion-based, system ever created--as far as I can tell. He hasn't clarified. Maybe he was influenced by them, but isn't, himself, one. IDK
  19. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    @Doug Keep pushing, keep being recalcitrant, so you can get tuned up in front of everyone. There isn't a point you have raised that hasn't been thoroughly debunked; the same will apply with every other objection you raise. Keep it up, you're helping everyone see how incoherent your view is.
  20. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Nope, or else he wouldn't have said he was trying to fulfill Dt 32:21 in magnifying his ministry to the Gentiles (Ro 11)--the prophecy is that God's people had made God jealous by choosing another God, and, so, in like manner, God would make those very same people (who had made Him jealous)...