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For me, it's beyond works or no works (the verses you cited mention doing), it's a question of motivation. I spent myself, before, in fasting, praying, and obeying as best as I could, what ever I believed I ought, but it seems like it wasn't enough, because my thought process was excepted to in...

Well, this idea "if you believe, the matter is done and over with" seems contrary to "If you do the things God wants, you will be making the matter done and over with--if not, watch out."

I agree... but what does it mean to deny Christ? If Christ is represented by His Word, and if that Word is "If I believe, He promised me everlasting life, and nothing further may be asked of me", it may be that denying that Word is denying Christ. And maybe denying Christ in one's works, in that...

Clarification : I'm not looking to reconcile what I believe with what is written, but what is written with what is written (as a result of what is written, I had been uncertain, to this or that degree, what I was to conclude).

Thanks

Lol Thanks

No, you're not getting to start a new conversation until you finish the old one, or else when I debunk you you'll just change topics again, thus defeating the entire purpose.

Thanks, I was hoping go focus on the verses raised in the OP, and on reconciling them.

No, one seems to say "Upon believing, you have eternal life, and there are no other requirements that can be added", and the others, if memory serves, seem to say "As long as you are doing the things you're expected to do, good things youre commanded, you will have eternal life now and at the...

The OP specifically asks how NOT to call God "liar" on either count, but how to call God "true" when both are to be affirmed but seemingly would need reconciling because they seem mutually exclusive.

If you'd followed the conversation, you would know I'd settled on some potential answers.

You said there's no answer, so you're free to move on.

Ohhh this sounds like "I have an answer but I'm not sharing it. Trust me bro." Either share the answer or move on. No one held a gun to your head to make you join the convo.

Ok thanks for sharing

? I asked in the OP how you all reconciled them, I didn't ask you to believe them, esp since no Christian will say "I don't believe Verses in the Bible" lol

Still no answer to the OP.

Oops, we know what happens to unproductive servants (Mt 25; Jn 15)! When, in the following chapter, Paul defines the behaviors he is holding his flesh back from engaging in, they are the behaviors he already said would keep someone out of the Kingdom in chapter 6. You can try to twist things...

If only that were so : the reply (of mine) you're replying to (here) is actually a denial that I asked pointed questions, so how is it an answer to those questions? Please communicate in a way that is helpful.

1. Am I right that you're a reader of NT Wright? 2. Were you planning on actually providing an answer, or were you content with speculating, and talking about which tools would be best to get the job of answering the OP done?

Interesting you view your method so highly, and yourself so special, that way, and, yet, your "answer" leaves the issue tangled and unresolved.