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So NO mention of church whatsoever then. OK. You want to replace the word candlestick with church. Using your interpretive method then, we need not guess the meaning of this verse.. 2 Kings 4:10 Please, let's build him a little room on the roof. We'll put a bed and a table in it for him, and...

Can you show that two churches operate in the tribulation? One church group Jesus says that because they did such and such He would keep them from it. I don't think that has to mean that they were IN it?

The issue here is the return of Christ to earth. Not the rapture. Why post this verse? Again, all about the second coming, not the Rapture. Why spam??

Spam is unconnected scripture randomly posted as if supporting a position. Example, if I am trying to support the idea that Jesus lived in Israel mostly, and the scripture I use to support that is 'Judas went and hanged himself' That is dishonest spamming. To then turn around in self righteous...

Sure it is easy, just replace the folks the bible talks about with the word 'church' and presto!

Verse? Hopefully you do not spam the verse about Jesus returning right after the tribulation. Not really since they seem to say strange things to you. You need to be clear Rev 12:18 spans several years. Of course the evil leader and Satan attack those fleeing believers. What about it? The...

It says after? Except that is fantasy. Probably why you allude to scripture rather than posting it It is also a war against Jews and people who refuse the mark etc etc. It is also wrath/judgment from God on the world ? Just because you call the tribulation saints the church means squat...

So you believe that the gathering in the air of believers dead and alive is not before the tribulation. OK Glad you know what it is Post trib did? They said post? Quite an imagination. I call people spamming off target verses rather than addressing the topic with Scripture spam. Work on that

We look at what you post and learn some truth about your theories NOTHING to do with the Great Tribulation. More spam Why post a verse about the return of Christ here? Random spam? What bearing does that have on the topic of discussion here? Spamming another verse with the word tribulation in...

Sorry you could not recognize the truth. Maybe regroup and try to get your act together and get back to us with something resembling more of a cohesive case. As it stands, for one thing you have not limited the wrath of God to a few hours when Jesus returns. Sorry, not even close.

Glad you exposed yourself by digressing into outright accusing of the saints. I can see why you gave up pretending you had a bible supported position.

More weird false accusations. If you had any support for your position we would have seen it. Instead we saw embarrassing spam and disjointed logic along with of course the wild false dark accusations.

And you accuse others of lying!!? Weird. I see you never even spammed a grossly off topic verse there for pretend support

Easy on the false accusations, we know you lost here but that is no excuse. That has nothing to do with when the rapture is. Why spam verses?? Many will be killed in the end time, explain why you posted the verse he3re, as if it somehow related to the issue at hand? Another spammed verse and...

Because you say so?

When someone calls truth a lie they show that they are at best very confused. Especially when they cannot support their fantasy whatsoever with Scripture You offered a verse looking at some martyrs in heaven during the tribulation as some sort of proof that the tribulation could not possibly be...

Complete nonsense because it is talking about a heaven scene with people killed in the tribulation are wondering how long before Jesus stops the wicked world leader etc. That does not mean the tribulation is not raging full force at that time. Your point is mooted totally. That is like coming to...

I'll check it out when I get time. The strategy here for some posters is to desperately avoid calling the last years the wrath of God, but only the 20 minutes Jesus returns and destroys the wicked (or whatever time in a day that takes). That way they think they can say we do get appointed to...

Some of it yes of course. Did you think a quarter of people dying on earth etc etc in the seals was a picnic in the park? Obviously the final vengeance when Jesus returns is the final scene of the wrath. You do not get to ignore the rest though, as pointed out there are many days of vengeance as...

I think so too. But what does that have to do with the Rapture happening before the AntiChrist is revealed?