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  1. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I do not think all people on earth are either at that battle, or would want to be. Nor, of course does Scripture say anything like that. I would think they are already fallen away for the most part. But sure, no doubt this continues Sounds right to me. A Rapture before a revealing.
  2. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The wicked are killed. Some were maybe not really preached the gospel to understand much. Some were good to His children in that evil time. They will not die with the wicked I would assume.
  3. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No, it just is not completed yet. It is being poured out already in that seal You tell us. Then tell us how it relates to the topic and point
  4. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    This isn't a gameshow. Tell us when you think you have a point
  5. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    That is true that He sends wrath from above as well as brings it when He comes. The wrathful events of the tribulation culminate with His return. You seek to pigeonhole it all into one 45 minute period or whatever. (just the day He returns to earth) The days that the earth is in travail like a...
  6. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Jesus does not come to the earth till after the tribulation. The seals are in the tribulation generally. He sends wrath from heaven
  7. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Says you Your record so far is spamming off tangent verses that are not even related to what you want to preach. So we shall see.
  8. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and...
  9. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    How would it not be? Explain
  10. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Nothing about a reservation. If someone says that the day of wrath has come near the end of the tribulation, does that mean there was no wrath from God before that? Does that mean that all the death and horrors that come in the tribulation before the day Jesus returns don't count? That would be...
  11. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yet if it is part of the seals, then all the seals are part of it. Why would we ignore all the horrors God sends to the earth in wrath and judgment and call only the last bit wrath? It does not say that. So the same people who said this had seen all the judgments from God and knew this was the...
  12. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. That sounds like it is part of the terrible events that happen in that last time. Before...
  13. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Where does it say in scripture that the seals and events in the last seven years are not the wrath of God? Your only strategy here would be to try to limit what is called the wrath of God to the very end of the tribulation or when Jesus returns. That doesn't fly.
  14. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yes Israel is a big part of the reason for the tribulation. Looking at the results in the very end though we see that the vast vast vast vast vast majority of sheep are from various nations and peoples etc. While this also is the time of Jacob's trouble. it is a whole lot bigger than that.
  15. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The wrath refers to the tribulation or last several years I would think.
  16. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The dead in Christ arise first, and then we that are alive. All in a twinkling of an eye 1 Cor 15: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last...
  17. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    So what are you doing? Since we are not here for the wrath of God, and the last years are the wrath of God, that means before.
  18. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    OK What rapture verse (or verse you confused with a rapture verse) are you talking about? Your dreams force you to fantasize that other people who are not confused must be 'wiggling' Face it
  19. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    First the Rapture. Yes. Then the return of Jesus (with us) To earth. I am not sure where you got a third coming?