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  1. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    How about to get His people, alive or dead out of here before that time when He wraps things up on earth? How about a rescue? How about a marriage supper?
  2. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    No we cannot leave it at you saying most believers will not be resurrected. Of course you could provide no bible support.
  3. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Right, the second coming will be like that. Do not try to take away from the words elsewhere that tell us of being gathered in the air with Him. Not should you dare trying to add to the bible by suggesting that only the return to earth of Jesus exists and that the gathering of the dead and...
  4. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Regardless of whether basic and easy apply in your mind to the concept of God dumping most believers an having them miss the resurrection, the idea is still the vile little dream that it is.
  5. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The concept was the topic. Go ahead, make my day
  6. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Not having Jesus be a schizophrenic who contradicts Himself is not going against the bible in any way. Lazy? Or pretending? I do not usually profit from fantasy posts. Seems about right so far False. Your comment was uninformed and you avoid bible passages like some bugs avoid light. You see...
  7. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    What 'escape verses'? As for the foolish women that could not come with the wise to the feast, the only way they could have been worthy is by the blood of Jesus. Try not to post as if you have a point when you do not and can't even be clear about it.
  8. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    One coming to the earth, seen by all. One in the air. No, the second coming of Jesus, the return to earth is not what most think of as the Rapture. There is not, at the return of Christ a gathering in the air and the dead in Christ were already raised at the Rapture. So why call it the rapture...
  9. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Nonsense, of course I know rewards are based on works. If you stopped casting firebrands long enough and take a breath, you might realize that the resurrection and salvation are not the rewards given at that seat! We get Raptured to get there first of all! How dare you accuse others of a weak...
  10. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I never said that. God chastens every some He receives. Not just the goodie two shoe types. Where I do not allow you to divide His children is when you damn most of them to the wrath of God and to miss the resurrection due to some supposed sin. Jesus died to save us all who come to Him. He...
  11. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You brought up Ruth. You forgot to connect the dots as to how that supposedly supports your theory. So the question arises what was it you think it did support exactly? You apparently are saying that in the churches in Rev 3 there are 2 classes of believers if I read you right. I see it as an...
  12. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    If you are still talking about the ten virgins, how is it that believers are called 'foolish'? Look at another parable to see what a foolish person is! The man that was foolish did not build his house on the rock. In the case of the foolish women who brought no oil, the same thing applies, they...
  13. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Sorry if it rocks your boat mentally or whatever. You need more than attitude to make a case.
  14. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The foolish brought no oil. So explain how you have some insight as to that that actually did bring oil in their lamps?
  15. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    True. I think some of the posters here don't care so much if people are saved or not in regards to the Rapture. There are some who think that something other than the blood of Jesus (add some good works or watching, overcoming etc) is needed to be in the Rapture. Their idea is that He is going...
  16. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Sad. I guess the time to get oil (come to Jesus in heart) is now, while it is still (barely) day. One point also in that parable is that what mattered was what inside their 'lamps'
  17. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Right in other words they were not saved by believing in Jesus. When 10 women get suddenly woke up in the night, they have no time to do anything much. If this was the Rapture that happens in a moment of time, then they *the foolish) would be found lacking. I don't see how one could apply that...
  18. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    You can light a dry wick any time of the day or night and the result is the same. The women woke from sleep in the night when they heard the cry go out. It was showtime. They knew it was finally time. The wise women (saved) had oil of the spirit in them already. They took that with them wherever...
  19. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The verse said the foolish ones did not bring any oil. Why would we assume the word of God is wrong? If there was oil maybe they would stay lit long enough to get Raptured! Too bad they were foolish and had no oil. At least the bible does not say they had any. It does say they did not bring...
  20. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. So the foolish took how much oil? A little? No. NO oil! Ha Case closed. Now if some camper was not a fool we might tell them that a lamp...