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  1. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    An analogy needs to work. The issue is whether the gals were saved or not. If 5 were not, then they had no oil. (if the oil represents the spirit) So that could explain why when they were found foolishly unprepared (having a little oil might not qualify as foolish) that they needed to run off...
  2. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Bic lighters and trees and shoes and fireplaces and matches are not lamps. Cars are not lamps. You seem intent on wanting the lamps of the women who missed the Rapture to have had oil. Proof?
  3. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Cars cannot run without gas (or power) Lamps have wicks and can burn a short while. Show us where in the passage that it states they had oil? You made claims support them
  4. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    The unsaved had no oil so of course their lamps would go out. Try lighting a lamp with no oil as see. It can be done, but won't last long! Another thing about unlit lamps is that they look the same whether there is oil in them or not! Just light them and you soon find out.
  5. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Since we will not be here in that wrath of God, He did not lie when He said that nothing would prevail over the church.
  6. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Great so they will rise from the dead and join the living Christians at the Rapture The bible is clear we will be gathered in the air to meet Jesus, the dead in Christ and also those alive who believe. We don't get a vote. Thank you.
  7. dad

    Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

    Jesus created us. That is a reason. He had reasons in mind, so that is a reason. One of those reasons was choice. To choose Jesus or Satan, the tree of life or the other one. Jesus has everything to do with creation.
  8. dad

    Why was "the Tree" placed in the center of the garden (orchard)

    There was a clear choice for us. Since that is the or one of the central reasons man was created, it makes sense. Jesus wants people who choose Him.
  9. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    That depends on who is being judged. Rev 12 is about a woman who also brought Jesus forth. Jesus started the church so it sure was not the church! So that, once again has nothing to do with the Rapture. Keep trying you mat accidentally hit on a verse that somewhat pertains one day. No, you made...
  10. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    They are having a marriage supper and rewards are handed out and they get to meet Jesus and all their departed loved ones etc etc. Then we return to the earth with Jesus! Then we rule the world for the 1000 years to start. We also get to know our new city of gold, New Jerusalem. Not sure how you...
  11. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    His foot stands on the mount of Olives WHEN He returns to earth from heaven with us. That is not the Rapture. Not relevant. Badmouthing truth you cannot deal with or refute or even make a feeble case for your 'no heaven' nonsense is of no worth. You were given it several times, Jesus ascended...
  12. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Virgins are not usually at weddings these days:) Bridegooms do not usually get announced at midnight with a shout. People do not usually need lamps to gain access to a wedding party. Etc The point in the story is that some people were not ready. Some were. The one's who were not missed the...
  13. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to...
  14. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Yes in the air here over the earth. Then we go to where He is and that is in heaven. Need proof that is where Jesus lives?? Think of it this way, We get picked up in the air here, and then we all go home. He prepared a pace for us, a city. That is our home. Not clouds. We just meet in the clouds...
  15. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    So where do they get taken up in the air to be with Jesus to, Oz? The space station? We go where He is. Where did you think He was, on a mountain? One so called side of claiming God is not in heaven and that we also will be is a worthless waste of time and abject foolishness. Nope. Empty...
  16. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Jesus delivers us from death and hell. So yes people have always been delivered by God in that sense. But you see the wrath is specifically the last years as well. So we are delivered from both, hell and etc and the last years of wrath. The time after He returns to earth is also known as the...
  17. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Let's revisit that then. What verse? That is the Rapture. So, what is your point relating to the topic?
  18. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    Unless they are on point that matters not at all. I could offer a verse from Gen 1 or the whole bible in a long post here. That would be His word. When dealing with the pre tribulation/wrath of God resurrection in the air, you need to offer verses that apply! NOT a verse dealing with several...
  19. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    That does not say they had oil in the lamps. That could be just the wicks. The wicks are big and probably could give fire for maybe a few minutes. In other words they would not have the real deal and the oil, just some showcase lamp or some such. Those who come to Jesus sincerely and ask will...
  20. dad

    Proof of Rapture before Tribulation

    I think main reason that Lot and Noah's day was mentioned was because the world will be as or more wicked in the end. Similar. Since the world is still there after the Rapture for years, it will get even worse. So the best time it can be compared to the extreme wickedness of Noah and Lot's days...