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  1. keithr

    This really grabbed me today!

    Yes, sorry, that was a slip of the finger (or force of habit). I should have typed "Jesus is a god to us". I'll edit the post to correct it. Actually, in that passage, he referred to himself as "the Son of God" rather than "a god" (verse 36)! He was denying that he was God. The Jews wanted...
  2. keithr

    This really grabbed me today!

    That means you're stating that the apostle Paul (and Peter and John) should not have been a teacher. And yet Jesus chose him to be an apostle: Acts 20:24 (WEB): (24) ... the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to fully testify to the Good News of the grace of God. Paul also wrote...
  3. keithr

    This really grabbed me today!

    I don't think it does! No, it tells us that those Christians that have already died will be resurrected first. It says nothing about those still alive having to wait until they die before they are resurrected. No, it is saying that very soon after the dead in Christ have been resurrected...
  4. keithr

    This really grabbed me today!

    Don't forget that the book of Revelation is full of symbols. Later verses say, Revelation 21:9-10 (WEB): (9) One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were loaded with the seven last plagues came, and he spoke with me, saying, “Come here. I will show you the wife, the Lamb’s...
  5. keithr

    This really grabbed me today!

    I think that you have made a mistake at step one! The 144,000 are on the earth, not in heaven. Revelation 7:1-4(WEB): (1) After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or...
  6. keithr

    Concede Now, or Concede Later.

    Did you really find that personally insulting? Why are people so sensitive nowadays? Even if you felt insulted, remember what Jesus taught: Matthew 5:39 (WEB): (39) But I tell you, don’t resist him who is evil; but whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also.
  7. keithr

    Concede Now, or Concede Later.

    Any new revelation/teaching has to be confirmed by the written Scriptures, otherwise it should not be fully believed. Acts 17:10-11 (WEB): (10) The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Beroea. When they arrived, they went into the Jewish synagogue. (11) Now these were...
  8. keithr

    Concede Now, or Concede Later.

    Or as it says in Proverbs 4:18 (WEB): (18) But the path of the righteous is like the dawning light, that shines more and more until the perfect day. This implies that knowlege of the truth of God's word should increase as we get closer to God's Kingdom being established.
  9. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    No, the devil wants to deceive people into believeing his first lie, that we won't die! You are believing that lie by believing that the dead continue living in heaven when they die. The Sciptures don't support that. Hebrews 9:27 (27) And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this...
  10. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    I'd agree with that, except that death is the end of conscious life (the only meaningful kind of life!). It's only not the end of our lives if God restores us to a conscious state again. As you say, the true end of life, with no hope of ever becoming conscious again, is when He utterly...
  11. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    As I quoted, Paul said that if there is no resurrection "Then they also who are fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Corinthians 15:18). So those who are "asleep" are perished (Greek word apollumi, meaning destroyed), so they can't be alive and conscious waiting in heaven (or a prison or...
  12. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    The point I was making is that what Jesus was saying is that after we die we are in an unconscious state, just like being in a deep, dreamless sleep. I often wake up in the night and I have no idea what the time is. I don't know how long that I've been asleep for; sometimes I think it must be...
  13. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    So you're wiling to cling to your interpretation which means that the Scriptures are conflicting, saying opposite things. That should be a clue that your interpretation is incorrect! Paul wrote that if there is no resurrection then the Christians that have died are perished. They don't...
  14. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Did Jesus preach only to the "spirits" that were disobedient in the days of Noah? If these "spirits" are humans then what about all those people that have lived since (and before) the days of Noah? Why are these "spirits" in prison? The Scriptures tell us that our thoughts cease when we die...
  15. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Why is it a problem for you? As for where Jesus is, I'm sure you know - Colossians 3:1 (WEB): (1) If then you were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. It just so happened that last night I watched an episode of...
  16. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    His (or her) conscious thoughts will cease, just like when we're in a deep sleep. Psalms 146:4 (WEB): (4) His spirit departs, and he returns to the earth. In that very day, his thoughts perish. Ecclesiastes 9 (WEB): (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know...
  17. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    Perhaps these words of Paul will create a little doubt for you? ;) 1 Thessalonians 1: (10) and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come. 1 Thessalonians 5: (2) For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord comes like...
  18. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    You are assuming that Paul is referring to the same event that Jesus is referring to when he answers the disciple's question "Tell us, when will these things be? What is the sign of your coming, and of the end of the age?" (Matthew 24:3). But he is not! Paul is comforting Christians, telling...
  19. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    This is what it says: 1 Thessalonians 4 (WEB): (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. (16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God’s...
  20. keithr

    The Day Of The LORD - What Is It?

    [Continuing from my previous post.] The work of the sealed servants then results in a lot of people being saved – “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb...