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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What is incoherent is making a distinction between being IN CHRIST or IN JESUS as if saying in Christ or in Jesus does not mean the same thing??? That is not only incoherent, but a bit bizarre! How can anyone professing to be of Christ not understand that Jesus is Christ? Jesus is the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Try this David, call it the age or epoch of time of the Lord. Because 'day' is defined as both 'a' specific day, or an age/era/epoch of time. All that is written, including judgment and wrath upon the lost shall come during this day/age/era/epoch of time. The same time John symbolically...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because I understand the day of the Lord began when the Lord came to earth a man! His day which is the time when the Gospel of salvation is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth is this age of grace through faith. When the spiritual Kingdom of God is complete then the day of the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The day of the Lord is only dreadful and darkness for those who choose to remain in the darkness rather than to turn to the LIGHT of Christ!
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    All who have physically died in faith are the dead in Christ. When Jesus spoke these words remember He was about to resurrect faithful Lazarus from physical death, returning life to his mortal body. If we try to read this as meaning that mortal humans of flesh and blood would never die, we...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Shall the day of the Lord be darkness and not light for all people? Or will His day be a darkness and not light only for those who refuse to come to the light?
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Can you really not understand the day of the Lord from first advent to the sounding of the last trumpet equates to ALL TIME from the first advent to TIME (the day of the Lord) shall be no longer????
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You have no understanding of the prophecy regarding the day of the Lord because you're trying to force it into your unbiblical doctrinal timeframe, i.e. one thousand literal years, seven literal years, 42 literal months, 1260 literal days etc. etc. etc. You have absolutely ZERO understanding of...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    His Kingdom is indeed everlasting, but 'day' or 'days' implies [time] that has been given to the church on earth to complete the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth. The Kingdom of God is everlasting, and once it is spiritually complete, it will come...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It comes from a very vivid imagination! Perhaps too much reading the 'Left Behind' series???
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Would, in my opinion, make God to be a respecter of persons, specifically the Jews.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Peter, on the day of Pentecost, quoting the prophet Joel indicates that Joel believed the day of the Lord began to be fulfilled in the "last days", not one day, but the entire period of time that began with the first advent of Christ. This is when the Spirit was poured out upon all flesh. Not...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The day of the Lord not only covers the period of time from the first advent, the day of the Lord also indicates 'A' day when the day of the Lord shall end.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Everyone calling themselves Christian ought to be looking for the return of the Lord! It's not looking for His coming again that is unbiblical. It is teaching that when the Lord returns there will still be time, another one thousand years for unbelievers (especially Jews) to turn to the Lord...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    These are the words from the prophets of Old that should give us the ability to understand that the coming day of the Lord they foretell would come, came with the first advent of Christ come to earth a man. But the day of the Lord they foretell would come consists of the entire New Covenant AGE...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    At His coming to us when the last trumpet sounds shall be physical. When Christ sends His Spirit to be within believers, His presence within is not seen with physical sight, and must be spiritually understood. We can plainly understand, if we accept the Words of the Bible, that when Scripture...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Read the whole context: 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, the rapture is when the final trumpet sounds! If faithful saints shall not be raptured (caught up to meet the Lord in the air), then we too would suffer the wrath of God by fire that shall consume this earth, and every living thing left on it. Being eternally saved through Christ is the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Tribulation, including "great tribulation" is the Christians lot in life for being faithful to Christ. On the other hand, the wrath of God is the fire that shall come down upon the whole earth after this age of Gospel grace is finished. There won't be any true Christians left on this earth to...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think I understand what you're asking. Why would you think there is or was ever a time when the Jewish nation called Israel would be without the ability to cry out to God through Christ for salvation? They were the nation for whom God chose to reveal Himself to mankind. And it was to the...