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I had thought I had clarified it, but I'll just make a quick statement that may help : when people repent, it is because God's grace led them to repent (Ro 2), and when they repent and believe, that is counted as God's righteousness (Ro 4), so, yes, the men repented and believed, yet it was not...

It's OK. If you don't find the conversation helpful, you don't need to venture in to it. I think you're already walking in God's righteousness, not your own, by sticking with your convictions (Ro 1:17, 14:5, 23). There's no need to get involved in the discussion because it may not help you...

I think you're already walking in God's righteousness by the fact that you are walking in your convictions (Ro 14:5,23). These distinctions are only important for people who are reading very closely and who are wondering what the requirements are because Paul says salvation is by faith not...

1. Matthew 25 shows a lazy servant from whom God strips the "measure of faith" He had sowed into him--God was working, but the servant was lazy. 2. I don't know a single Christian who says they refuse to be baptized, they only disagree on what baptism actually does. Cornelius only believed, and...

Or God is working but they're not obeying (Pp 2:12,13). Well to be fair they still baptized they just disagree on what it does.

A while ago, I would get a lot of challenges to what I'd claim. I get to the point, with some people, where I notice there is no reasoning with them (they want to hold to what ever they hold, no matter what Scriptural challenge that would make any honest person curious at their own arguments'...

In order for Romans to make sense, it needs to be re-framed around justification by "a righteousness of my own" or "God's righteousness"--"faith or works" (to which "a righteousness of my own" and "God's righteousness" correspond) debates miss the point Paul was making, and result in empty...

It has to be discussed, bc of the wording in Scripture. The wording in Scripture makes the issue difficult, bc, as Peter warns, many things Paul says are difficult to understand. In Romans, it appears Paul distinguishes between a righteousness of one's own, which has its correspondence when he...

The reason I said we have to distinguish between works/a righteousness of our own and walking in faith/God's righteousness is bc people want to deny our behavior can affect our standing before God, bc they say "not works"--but I'm not saying "works", I'm saying "God's righteousness ".

It sounds like we're saying a similar point using different words.

See, you're acknowledging that we are justified by God's righteousness before the Day of judgment, but I am saying that we are expected to continue in God's righteousness, or else, if that righteousness is not there, because we're not continuing in faith, it won't be there to justify us on the...

OK In part, I agree, but if justification isn't also an issue on the Day of Judgment, why does Romans 2 says only doers of the Law will be justified on the Day of Judgment?

I'm always striving to understand Christianity better--that's the reason I started this thread! LOL 1. I have asserted that Christians who do not walk in faith are not remaining in God's righteousness, and will not be justified at the Judgment (Ro 2:6-16). Did you disagree with that? 2. I have...

Yeah, the discussion is on "Justification by Works", and the need to distinguish between "God's righteousness" we walk in by faith, and why and how it is that it is not "a righteousness of my own" aka "works". If there is a Christian who is a murderer, he is not abiding in God's righteousness...

Romans 1 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” Romans 14 5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ... 23But he...

The way to bring clarity to the issue is to focus on the heart of the issue : we are not justified by a righteousness of our own (works), but by God's righteousness (grace and faith), and the life we live after having been proven sinners while seeking to be justified by God's righteousness, is...

Yep, every act of obedience men do in the Gospel, including the first act of repenting from sins and turning to God (Ro 2:4Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?), is an act of God, not "a...

Yes, "For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness." Ro 10:3 They're still trying to prove they are good so God will accept them because they're good, instead of submitting to God's righteousness whereby they...

Yes, and the first obedience of faith, whereby we ourselves are found sinners, is admitting we have sinned, and going to Him as sinners to be reconciled to Him to know Him by His righteousness in forgiving. All of God's righteousness is by grace through faith, and all of it glorifies God as...

Yeah cause my own righteousness goes toward proving/establishing my own goodness and acceptability and praiseworthiness, whereas Paul says "But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners [not good--like the tax collector Lk 18]," regarding God's...