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You may be right, although I would say that those arguing for free will wouldn't see it overtly as a pride thing, but as a choice thing. The problem with that, as I see it, biblically, is that we are told, quite clearly that it cannot be 'on' us, any part, or else we would have grounds to...

Hi Aspen. Some good thoughts here. And I think you're right...for some bizarre reason people do seem to gravitate towards arrogant leaders. Perhaps it's as you suggest and they see it as passion, zeal and confidence. But, in my book, arrogance is arrogance and not much good will come from that...

Uhh...you might need to get a little more specific, sorry. Which is a pride thing?

Huh...thanks...I'll have to give it a try!

Well...I'm not sure the article, on this particular point, was attempting to compare man's "goodness" with God...becuase, well...obviously that's a no-brainer! I think it was just attempting to point out that not all people are Hitlers. We know non-Christian people who are 'decent' people...they...

You keep saying this, but it show a remarkable lack of understanding...(sorry) about the subject. Even most Dispensational teachers recognize the symbolic use of numbers throughout scripture. They baulk when it comes to Revelation, which is an error, I believe, as they don't seem to be able to...

I fully confess that I missed it! I admit that I read the OP and replied to it. Which, you know, is not fantastic thread ettiquete, I know, but sometimes, when you're short of time, that's all the "board time" you get! Yes...that is clearly the OUTCOME of predestination. There is little debate...

:p Ha! You like your graphics! I can't figure out how to post 'em here...I'm not super tech-y. Which is a shame, cause sometimes a good gif or meme just really...speaks...to the occasion!!

It was a good article, I thought. I think too often people throw labels around "Calvinist", like it defines who we are as Christians. And, sure, perhaps it helps narrow the field as to where we sit theologically, but to my mind it tears away what should be of primary importance....that we are to...

Once again I see your wonderful work of opinion backed by bible exegesis. Are we just suppose to take your word that your opinions come from scripture? It's hard to know since you rarely post any... Romans 9 is about God's sovereign choice. The Chapter begins with Paul being ready to loose his...

Well, I obviously disagree, and for biblical reasons, which I have provided in the past. It's interesting, to me, that people can ignore, apparently, how the bible quite clearly uses numbers symbolically. In point of fact, even Dispensationalists acknowledge this fact throughout scripture...it's...

Once again, you cast spurious arguments before you without a single bible verse to back up your opinion. What a surprise. though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who...

I know you and I don't see eye to eye on many doctrinal issues, and that's okay! But, from my point of view...seeing Revelation not as chronological, but as a series of visions recapitulated...this verse is not at all 'out of place' or nonsensical. I could go into greater depths of how I view...

I'm not sure this makes him the forerunner for the Antichrist, but I completely agree that this event is significant and shameful. If I was Catholic I would be strenuously objecting the actions of the pontiff right about now. That Pope Francis sees Islam's 'god' and Christianity's God as one and...

Yes, but this rather proves my point, doesn't it? These people are following false leaders, false notions, not Christ Jesus, not the gospel presented in scripture. They do not have a personal, saving relationship with Jesus. And so when things get hard, or inconvenient for them, they "fall...

:D You don't HAVE to agree. The dictonary and thesaurus back me up just fine.

Not really...I'm the one who feels like I've made a decent showing, bible verses and all, for what I believe. If you can honestly feel the same, well....good for you, I suppose. I'd have to disagree with your analysis, but...there you go.

Is that so? Goodness...how careless of my...declarations. I wonder if you could point back to such declarations, if you would be so kind? But...putting that aside...You've just made a massive mistake...one that not even most Dispensationalists make. You are claiming that people who 'come to...

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. -Matthew 5:17 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. -Romans 10:4 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is...

Oh, for the love of...:rolleyes: Post #20: Me: Post #21: You: Post #26: Me: Post #32: You: Post #41: You: Post #43: You: Post# 48: Me: Looking back over the rather ridiculous conversation, what can I deduce? You started on by making a point of it being a "model", but when I...