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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The thousand years symbolize TIME that began with the advent of Christ and shall end when the seventh trumpet begins to sound. Trying to split this symbolic time to fit our doctrine makes a mockery out of this symbolic TIME. How can this symbolic TIME said to begin when Satan is bound, that...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I don't believe it was a literal or physical resurrection of the dead from the graves, but a spiritual body of believers who lived and died waiting for the promised Messiah/Redeemer to come and set their spirit free. We know the disciples were shown a 'vision' of Moses and Elijah. Matthew...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Satan is not loosed until the thousand years have finished. He cannot have his little season before he is loosed. Satan's little season follows after the thousand years representing TIME. God's wrath against Satan and all who follow him put an end to Satan's little season. Immediately before...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Why do you suppose John does not write of the martyred saints of Rev 6 as being witnesses for Jesus, as we find in Rev 20? Have you ever considered maybe it's because they had NEVER heard that name, because that name could only be known after Christ was born and "they called His name Jesus"...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Are these martyrs still under the altar since Christ's blood has been shed to make atonement for sin, and conquering death by His resurrection to life again? None could go to heaven until after the first advent of Christ. Which is why these Old Covenant faithful saints are shown under the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Those of vs 6 "blessed and holy" SHALL reign in the future. When John is writing they may or may not even be born yet, they certainly are not at this point in time part of those who have already lived and died as martyrs, before they are of the first resurrection to overcome the second death...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes, I've heard it said that mankind is trapped in these physical bodies destined to death from the beginning, through the fall. Mankind, created in the likeness and image of God comes from the spirit in us, and the spirit that has received the Holy Spirit of Christ when they are born again...
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    The False Doctrine of Infant Baptism

    It seems to me that the objections for baptizing infants is typically based on the belief that Protestants baptizing their infants is done for the same reasons the Catholic Church does. It is believed by some that all who baptize infants do so because they believe the water assures the infant...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    John shows us the full embodiment of saints that shall be in heaven. Those of vs 4 I agree are those who died as martyrs for their faithfulness to Christ. They physically died but are still alive in heaven a spiritual body of believers there. But what about all the other people who lived and...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Our life together with Christ shall never end! As a spiritual body of believers in heaven we still spiritually live with Christ there. When we are bodily raised and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible who or what will there be to reign over? All will be made new on...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    They are raised after not only the thousand years have ended, but also Satan's little season. They are not raised to physical life to live again, they are raised to life again for judgment and to be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    There is only one thousand year period of time mentioned only in the Revelation. The thousand years symbolically represents TIME from the first advent of Christ until the seventh angel begins to sound that time shall be no longer. Satan is bound during the same period of TIME the Church is...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Then why does Paul write in 1Cor 15:51-57 not only of the body raised being changed from corruptible to incorruptible but also from mortal to immortal because flesh and blood, nor corruption can inherit the Kingdom of God? 1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The two groups of those who are dead is (1) vs 4 those who have lived and reigned during time (symbolized a thousand years) with Christ before they were killed for their faith (2) vs 5 the rest of the dead who in life had not lived and reigned with Christ in time (a thousand years) before they...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    God gave every living breathing creature upon the earth a body + spirit (breath of life) and every living breathing creature upon the earth became a living soul. I've never said man without being born again has the Spirit of God within. In fact I have gone out of my way in repeating this truth...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    You've confused the spiritual body that is of the Kingdom of God in heaven with the physical body that shall be raised immortal and incorruptible when the last trumpet sounds. As Paul has shown when the man of faith physically dies their body returns to dust, and is rasied a spiritual body of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Yes, but this many is recorded nowhere to my knowledge of physically alive humans living in Jerusalem of Old witnessing a physical resurrection of the dead. However there is evidence of many in heaven seeing them as they ascend up to heaven a spiritual body of believers. This seems odd since...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I'm not following your argument GB. The beheaded of vs 4 are not of the rest of the dead in vs 5. They are both (4&5) the physically dead, but only those martyred in vs 4 are spiritually alive after they have been killed. So they are no longer of the dead, because death of their mortal body...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's good that you say it is you guessing. Because Paul disagrees with your "guess." He writes that when our body dies, it is raised a spiritual body, and we know from Solomon that the spirit (breath of life) in man returns to God who gave it. 1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I don't know about you, but most Premillennialists I've engaged in discussions deny that after death faithful saints are still alive in heaven a spiritual body of believers there still living (spirit) souls. They must deny that being born again of Christ's Spirit is to partake of Christ's...