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*Time out* Not both? Do you not believe in a physical resurrection as well? I am more confused. Responding to this later. What happened to the punishment of sin? Was it paid, waved, or ___?

So the punishment for sin... it is waved away or? What happens to it?

You just confused me several times. I'm trying though. I'll take this one step at a time, going with the (1). Of course Christ is not condemned. But I thought you just said that Christ suffering /atonement / death was not directly related to the forgiveness of sins. Can you help me out...

Good questions, getting to real meat & potatoes. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and perfect lamb. His willing sacrifice and atonement was taking our (all that believe on Him) sins onto Himself so that we may be made clean. It also enabled Him to perfectly understand our suffering and succor...

It's just re-posting something as a reminder for a person to reply. It's been a lively discussion here, and I suspect my question just got lost in the shuffle.

*bump* for @John Caldwell Trying to understand, no bashing.

So.. how does this suffering-and-death-for-understanding become an atonement and cleansing of mankind's sins?

So it is for understanding alone? Not related to directly with justice or sin or sacrifice for sins or removing of sins?

AMEN!!!!!

Trying to understand your view here-- Why did Christ suffer?

"Punishing" is a really poor word choice. Christ suffered for our sins, and satisfied the demands of justice (being infinitely just). It was a willing sacrifice.

(Actual LDS Christian jumping in here) Seminary with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints isn't an equivalent program to like a Baptist Christian Seminary is. A Baptist Christian seminary is a college (frequently graduate) multi-year degree program with the focus of training...

God is the God of love. That's whom I'm with. Not fear. I make no judgement on you as a person.

LDS Christians aren't Protestant Christians, that's a fact.

I was simply trying to provide better information. The "Mormon Bible" is the KJV. The Book of Mormon is not Bible, even in the eyes of 'Mormons'.

FYI: the "Mormon Bible" is the KJV.

I didn't say anything about different personalities. The disagreement here is over entirely different methods. Not all methods were created equal and some are downright wrong.

The disagreement here is the *how* the preaching is done. Not the fact that preaching is done (which everyone agrees is a good thing)

I'm sorry you honestly don't understand, but as I said earlier-- Rather than waste both of our times with another re-run, I wish you a happy Thanksgiving.

Dave, you EXACTLY what behavior I'm referring to.