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But is it not worth the effort to try to break ideas down so that they can be conveyed to others?

Us forgiving a person is taking all of that anger/hatred/resentment, and handing it over to Christ. Letting Him be the one to exercise His judgement in the most righteous way (which is way better than what any of us can do). In the mean time, free of this burden of anger/hatred/resentment, we...

You're still using the fancy words packed lots of background assumptions/definitions. I'll just continue on with explaining my view here. I tried to echo your layout in post 302, but it didn't succeed, 0. Spiritual death is defined as being separated from God because a person (due to sin)...

John, the reason I'm getting away from the fancy words is because they usually come packed with background assumptions / definitions which may not be identically understood between two persons. So instead, I break things down into thier simplest word components so things can be better examined...

Christ is the Judge, not us. We try to conduct ourselves in a disciple-like manner, teaching others to do the same. But Christ is the ultimate Judge of hearts, not us.

Preach via love, not threats and fear.

This answer was a bunch of schismatics and otherwise fancy words. Im not really interested in labels, and was more looking for a “ what is the actual substance of disagreement?”

Thank you for taking the time to write this. It is well thought, reasoned, and conducted in a respectful manner. Moving away from schematics, I fail to see what the actual substance of this debate is about.

Again, no special relationship. The Father is the Father to all, no special relationship between Christ and Lucifer/Satan that doesn't also apply to every other single person out there. Christ is special because he alone is the Only Begotten and Perfect Son. Lucifer/Satan totally not.

I get that. I'm trying, but the world does continue to spin if I don't get it :)

Actually, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe Jesus Christ has always existed and was/is the eternal Son of God. LDS Christians don't believe that there was/is any special relationship between Christ and Lucifer/Satan. Jesus Christ is the perfect Son of God, one...

Honestly, I've tried to understand what your view is John.. but I'm really really struggling to.

Actually, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints 100% believe that Jesus Christ is 100% the Only Begotten Son of God. Discipleship in Him is what makes a person a Christian. That's the central and most important thing.

A person is a Christian by being a disciple of Christ, the Son of God, and saved in & by Him. They are found in every group. A person is NOT made a Christian on saved by their ability to pass a theology test.

My view: This is talking big picture, when we are completely like Him. Not in this life time. Of course I do respect your view as well. Your questions here have been good.

On that I respectfully disagree. Temptation is real, even for committed Christians. Yes, coming unto Christ reduces the urge, teaches you better, allows you to be fortified with the Spirit. But very seldom does every temptation go away during this lifetime.

Ok, now I know what you're talking about. My view: coming unto Christ is in NO way a license to sin. If you that do something that is against the Lord's ways (which we all do at regular points), then you have sinned. You need to repent and turn back to Him. There's no saying "oh, I'm born...

Doesn't quite compute- I'm sorry. If you're somehow asking about Once Saved Always Saved, I in no way believe that.

Focusing on something versus saying that is doesn't exist are two VERY different things. It's one thing to acknowledge Christ's suffering for us and have the focus be on a new creation. It's another to say Christ that Christ didn't suffer for us.

My view-- Justice exists. Justice cannot be waved away. But I'm trying to understand YOUR view.