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You offered Matthew 24. You thought that was about the invasion attempt by Gog?

There were no Christians then. The chapter is about the last days...'in that day'. For context of when this is all about we can, for example, look at the last chapter Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem...

These prophesies are about different events and times. When the abomination is set up, they will run and be protected. So now you are back at that Eze 38 and 39 battle. Try to focus and articulate what you are trying to say.

In more than one place in the bible, Satan falling is connected with stars. There is a difference, I would think, between flying somewhere and 'falling'. You have not addressed the issue of how the sealing of the witness is AFTER the sixth seal.

Of course Jesus comes with the angels and the saints. That does not say that no stars fall before then. Sorry, that is a very weak argument. The angels coming with Jesus are supposed to be falling stars!? Come on man. Thousand year great tribulation? Never heard of that and it is not in the...

There is plenty done when He returns. He saves Israel, and all new believers, He destroys all enemies and takes over the world...etc. Matthew 9:37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; That did not mean all the people alive were to be...

If, as you say, the seals are foretelling what will happen, then where is that mentioned? The only place stars falling are mentioned is the sixth seal. In addition the 144,000 from the 12 tribes that are sealed are only sealed AFTER those stars fall! Wow

Whatever it is a reference to, after it happens the 144,000 are sealed. Now that's a stretch. Satan and a third of the stars will fall, that we know. Right, they are scared stitless. Scared to death. Remember that when Jesus returns He will face untold multitudes that are not hiding, but by...

That does seem quite sound. I also have thought the same thing. There is a few verses that don't quite seem to fit though, looking at it again. This is AFTER. Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the...

Interesting. Just wondering how you know nothing in the seals happens right away?

Looking back, I see I must have misread your post. "This one will be defeated by christ himself.. I do not think either are in the first 3.5 years. As they are said to be a time of peace." I had thought you meant they will be attacked in a time of peace. I also was thinking of this verse...

I was not ignoring those verses, but getting the context of when it was that was being talked about. The clear context repeated often is 'in that day'! Also, we see this Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord , two parts therein shall be cut off and die...

OK, but remember you said they would be attacked when they were at peace. I can't argue with that, but we don't really know. There are a few things I can think of that would possibly set the stage. One is if Israel nuked Syria or/and Iran, or if they did some operation that resulted in a...

Right, and how amazing is that! I think that will open a lot of eyes in that time. I suspect that the Rapture is at or just before this time. I think that is near the start of the last seven years. I could see some resistance to his rule, but not many whole nations. That war where Russia and...

Well both Israel and the world lose huge numbers of people. Looking at the chapter it seems to refer to Israel in the end. Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord , two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. Zechariah...

OK. I guess we don't really know. I don't think that Satan incarnate will lose power over the world myself until Jesus deals with him.

Right, but he also rules the world. I guess you assume that he orders Turkey and etc to invade Israel? There is a king of the south that tries to fight that if I remember Daniel 11 correctly. So how could there be many nations that are not really ruled by a world government at the end of the...

OK. Fair enough. You think the nations invading Israel from the north will do so at the tail end of the Tribulation. One question comes to mind about that. If the covenant that is signed and broken midway involves Israel, why are nations invading it after that is in place? Nations whose forces...

Looking at the rampaging horsemen in the vials, it seems trouble starts before the trumpets. The abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet is placed 1260 days before Jesus returns. Not sure what you call the abomination, but the one in the bible cannot be placed after Jesus...

The Tribulation starts when the abomination is placed. You really thought that was after Jesus returned?