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Not what the bible says.

The I guess you would not call Jesus being in the air a coming. Whatever.

He does take care of business when He comes. The valley that forms when the mount of Olives splits is the valley of decision. That is after He stands on it.He will not judge the nations and then later stand on the mount of Olives.

Fighting after He comes seems a reasonable possibility.

I heard you say that. However the single verse you cited does not say that. I also showed how the valley of decision will form when the mountain splits east to west, and that is obviously after He has set feet on it.

I am not sure that one verse means that He destroys all the wicked on His way down. After all, does He not judge nations near Israel? A valley is formed after the mount of Olives splits in two, if I recall. It only splits after He sets foot on it I think.

If he is in the air would that be before His feet rested on the mount of Olives? Or after? Do we know? Once Jesus returns to earth would you say He cannot fly?

I don't think so.

One coming to the earth, and one going into the air to meet Him there. You conflate the two. As for your attempts to accuse and blame others, sorry, You need to do more than pretend your claims are supported.

Where did he say that? Jesus is on earth with the angels, and that happens at the Second Coming. That is what Jesus points out in Matthew 13, 24, and 25. That is what John points out in the 6th Seal. In Matt 13 I see a lot of things comparing what heaven is like for us. In Matt 24 there are...

So if the Rapture was before the tribulation, it woulld not apply. Why would they be if the church was raptured long before this? Sows seed after He comes? If the harvest is gathered what is this business of sowing after the harvest? I assume the 144,000 are there the whole 7 years. Others...

We do know we are taken up into the air to meet Him. The gathering when He returns to earth is not the Rapture event as far as many millions of believers feel. You are in no position to cast stones. There is a gathering when he returns also. Probably another one at the end of the 1000 years for...

The bible says all Israel will be saved. Overruled. All the ones left alive that finally repent in the end. Sounds like the no true Scotsman fallacy. We are one body now, as the church or Bride. Most Jewish people will not believe and join us. God has a plan for Israel also, and His promises to...

The guarantee is after they get saved. All Israel will be saved. Until then, they have a lot of trouble to go through.

No consequence to salvation. Total consequence as to inheriting Israel, being gathered and protected there etc. Indeed it was. That was the plan. They lost their place except those of them who believed in Jesus. Later they would be restored and have their place again. Of course not. God...

That depends on what you mean by 'it is about'. The tribulation is not about the church which is gone. It is about wrath and gathering that last harvest of believers including Jews. He is not bringing me 'back to the land' or restoring me to Israel etc. Those promises are for you know who...

They are saved Jews in the tribulation period. Many people are saints in this time Jew and Gentile. Not all, apparently have the sort of protection the 144,000 have. That verse is saying that people killed in that terrible time are blessed. We know we are in the great tribulation in Rev 6...

That is the question. Right. After the things we just saw including the sixth seal. Is His throne not in heaven? The multitude was before His throne. It does not say on earth. Also, one of the things that happened before was that the wrath was announced as having arrived. Then, after that, we...

Great. That was news to you?

Nevertheless Israel is who dwells in safety when that attack comes, not the world. No sense arguing when you could not be correct.