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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    It takes more than using the same word in different books to make them related in prophetic detail I think he had power before he did that. The dragon gave him his power and authority, not the people. Declaring a battle to be on the last day of the seven years means nothing. Prove it. Firstly...
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Well, most people consider that the guy riding the white horse is the beast. As soon as Jesus opens a seal, this guy rides. That seems like something to me. That is a key feature of that last seven years, the beast. The 6th Seal IS the Darkness seen in the 4th Trump as is the Darkness seen in...
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That's it? Your point is that unrelated events in different parts of the bible will all happen in the last seven years, but that they all use the word mountain? Looking at Eze, and the timing of that invasion, the question arises, why would the leader of the world allow several nations to move...
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. What seal that was opened before the sixth seal said Jesus was here on earth doing anything?? So John was taken up and saw the past where Jesus opened seals? I see nothing at all that says anything was in the past when John went up to heaven. In case any lurker has any doubt let's settle...
  5. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Add that to the list of things that could impact earth. Woulda coulda shoulda. Baloney No, you just have not had the sense to know you were already defeated. Why pretend you have anything that did so?? There are lots of verses about falseness.
  6. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The question is what has one to do with the other? The Beverly Hillbillies lived on a mountain. People in the Rockies live on mountains...etc. So? Right, and...? What is the point in any of that?
  7. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Basically you need some reason to have the seals be a sort of prophesy of things to come, rather than end time events to fit your scheme of things. So if the seals were opened when Jesus got back to heaven, I guess we now need to have Him wait something like 70 years till John was very old. Or...
  8. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    You think Christ was opening seals thousands of years ago? Not with ya on that one. That is one possible explanation/guess as to why no one was found. Another guess might be that only Jesus was worthy, having shown perfect love and sacrifice. The seal opening does not really read as prophesy but...
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Not the ones talking about 'in that day'. You need to have some idea of what the context and time involved in prophesies is. Whatever they mean has to do with that time often referring in prophesy as 'in that day'. So what is it you think they mean exactly in relation to the topic here? Try to...
  10. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Great, so that is after the sixth seal. So the sixth seal could not be Jesus returning. Great. So many people here claim it is, it is hard to keep track.
  11. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    There is the issue of why the 144,000 from the 12 tribes would be sealed after the tribulation is over and done. That is after the sixth seal that you claim is when Jesus returns to earth.
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Too much sci fi?
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Here is what I replied to You -- " I offered matt 24. Because In Ezek the prophet said they were in the mountain. Matt 24 shows them leaving jerusalem and going to the mountain AFTER the AOD. so it fits. Up until the AOD. Israel is not in the mountains, they are in the cities." You referred...
  14. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    There is no barn or wheat in Rev 6. Your verse talked about some people being killed in the Tribulation. Whatever it is, it would need to relate to the thread somehow. So no 144,000 witnesses in the Tribulation according to you. However, we see that this 144,000 are BEFORE the ten kings and...
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Show us where it talks about the invasion of Eze 38?
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Then explain why the 144,000 are not even sealed yet?? What makes people being killed a 'harvest'? Do you think the Nazis made a harvest too? Are these good or evil people? No idea what that is supposed to refer to or mean.
  17. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Why focus on Matt 24 then?
  18. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    If that were true, then we have the 144,000 Tribulation witnesses being sealed after this. If the wrath of God is that last seven years, then what does it tell us they were cast into? Here is the setting from Rev 14 Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen...
  19. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    OK, let's look at that. Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over...
  20. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So after the seals, after the sixth seal we see that the 144,000 are sealed. Did you think the Tribulation witnesses were sealed after the tribulation? If so, don't use the word informed. There are lots of experts on making stuff up. Numbers do have significance, and we do not even fully...