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Are you a member of the Trinity, Anthony? Because I'm asking about YOUR actions. You believe that they are completely unable to free themselves, or be free by any other normal man. And yet you spend your time trying to free them. This looks like a giant contradiction.

You believe that they are completely unable to free themselves, or be free by any other normal man. And yet you spend your time trying to free them. 1) That's Christ, not Anthony. 2) The example of Paul can be argued equally from a non-calvinist standpoint too. So it's not that helpful.

I"m a big believer in getting answers straight from the source. Which for the question "what does Anthony believe" is Anthony. That's why I asked you to explain things in your own words. But you didn't, which has me a bit frustrated.

Anthony, I've asking what you believe to better understand what YOU believe. Accordingly, it would be much appreciated if you would explain it in your own words. Again, my question is: I see you talking a lot about wanting to teach and get the truth out there so that seekers may find Christ...

I"m asking you about your believe, and nothing more. You answer doesn't make a lot of sense here though.

Only Anthony can tell me what Anthony believes.

I'm just trying to understand what Anthony and other livening individuals on here believe. Not judging, just trying to understand.

Because the idea of someone seeking Christ implies that they have free will, and seems inherently contradictory to Calvinism. Totally doesn't help.

Do you believe a man has the will to seek Christ? How about the will to accept Christ?

Another statement I don't understand when spoken from a Calvinist POV.

This statement... I don't understand this statement coming from a hard-core Calvinist. Seeking and being hungry for truth is only possible if a person has a will and the ability to embrace Christ.

@illini1959 how powerful to you believe Christ's grace is, to save wretched sinners? Is it strong enough to save a person even if they have some wayward understandings?

Going to break this down: 1) An individual hitting the "ignore" button for other poster-- do this when needed. It really helps the toxicity between two people. Let's face it: we all have that individual we can't stand. Alternatively you can just ignore them the old-fashion way. 2) A poster...

@justbyfaith: I'm going to be blunt here: you have been lied to about what I believe. And you don't care. You're unwilling to see fact, unwilling to pull off that veils of lies, because it is SO intertwined with your world view and discipleship of Jack Chick & ilk I'm not bothering for...

Nope :)

Matthew 6:5. When you are willing to actually be factual, then come talk to me. You're just fighting against that pretend monster Chick told you about. It was downright silly at first, and the more and more you fight it... it was silly, then ridiculous, and now it's just delusional. You can...

justbyfaith, I know that you're trying to convince me that you're a true Christian and I am not, but this conversation has had the extreme opposite effect. No, I won't be reaching out to you for anything of God.

justbyfaith: I'm trying to think of something polite to say here, but... you've given me an extremely negative impression of you and your faith through this conversation, that I'm really am running out of polite things to say. The irony in this statement is so extreme... yeah, there's nothing...

This is so silly.

Frankly: I don't care what you believe, including all of those bunk claims about what I believe. I've stated that many times. And your lecture here is based on that false information, so it's honestly just silly. You keep acting like you need my permission to pray that I quit beleiving...