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  1. Wormwood

    The unpopular (but deadly) truth of conditional salvation

    WH, In my opinion, we are "in Christ" through faith. It is not our righteousness that saves us, but Christ's. We partake in that righteousness by faith. Salvation is not merely a state, but a person. Jesus said, "I am the resurrection and the life." We are not and cannot be condemned for...
  2. Wormwood

    The unpopular (but deadly) truth of conditional salvation

    Not saying I agree with all the conclusions in the OP, but the Greek in these passages do, in fact, mean "if." In the Greek, there are sentence constructions that indicate whether or not something is conditional. The Greek word "ean" can mean since, or therefore, but when it is used in a...
  3. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Pilgrimer, My comment about "agreeing to disagree" was not an effort to end the conversation. I just felt the issue of the fulfillment of Law was a side issue that we got focused on in the midst of a larger discussion and it appeared we were beginning to spin our wheels and restate ourselves...
  4. Wormwood

    A Moral Framework for Same Sex Unions?

    VOT, The difference I see here is that we don't try to justify the actions of children who act inappropriately toward others or classify it as a variant form of "love." I think Christians often get a bad wrap on this issue when people say they "target" or "bash" homosexuality. Yes, we are all...
  5. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Pilgrimer, Thanks for your response. I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think the NT is very clear that the Law did not pass with the coming of the new covenant or would pass at the destruction of the temple. Consider these words from James, According to your understanding of the...
  6. Wormwood

    What is wrong with the American Church today?

    Yes, but we need to be cautious about how we define success in the church. The Mormon church is growing at a pretty good rate, but obviously we would not associate that growth to the Holy Spirit. At the end of Paul's ministry there were very few who stood by his side. Numbers are a dangerous...
  7. Wormwood

    What is wrong with the American Church today?

    Vale, I agree with you that we are often quick to point out problems and slow to give a helping hand. I have heard it said that a monkey with a sledgehammer can destroy more in three hours than a group of wise men can build in three months. I think there are a lot of monkeys with...
  8. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Ugh, I really hate it when discussions spin into trying to pin someone down on what they did say or didn't say. However, I feel we cannot move forward until this has been clarified. Let me try to make it a little simpler here and quote you directly and as clearly as I can respond to what I...
  9. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Yes, I know the words and their meanings. Im not confusing the two I assure you. However, we are reconciled because we have been justified. It would help me if you just stuck with the point. I assure you I am very familiar with the words, Jewish history and OT practices. Moreover, you gave...
  10. Wormwood

    What is wrong with the American Church today?

    "35,000 denominations, which are spoken against in scripture." Yeah. So it doesn't prove they follow "men" whereas your group does not. "Yes I know that is why when I was studying the New Testament Church I spoke to several denominational leaders and put several propositions to them. They...
  11. Wormwood

    A Case for Formal Theological Training

    Marksman, I appreciate some of your comments. I agree that education is the sole qualifier or identifier of a Christian leader. Actually, I would argue that many of the parachurch ministries are based out of a poor ecclesiology. I have been involved with parachurch ministries and I think...
  12. Wormwood

    What is wrong with the American Church today?

    Marksman, I disagree strongly with your comments. This is a straw man argument in my estimation. What do you mean they have "men" in charge? As opposed to what? Women? Ghosts? I'm being sarcastic of course but the point is that objecting Christian group with the rationale that they follow...
  13. Wormwood

    Making the case for organized religion

    Ill try to interpret: "One should take a good, hard look at the history of their church before they go telling people they should join. Walking with Christ is not a lone ranger approach. Unless, of course, you don't believe [God] exists [except within organized] religion. In this case...
  14. Wormwood

    Rule Clarification On Denominational Threads & Posts

    horsecamp, I think the point here is that we need to keep discussion about views and interpretations, not individuals. We can debate our ideas and interpretations. This is not "attacking Scripture." Attacking Scripture would be more like questioning its authority or divine origin. When we...
  15. Wormwood

    Israel/Church Distinctions

    NetChaplain, Thanks for your post on this intriguing topic. I am not sure if I am following you very accurately so forgive me if I misinterpret your writing. Are you suggesting that God has a separate plan for unbelieving Israel to save them apart from Christ during the supposed great...
  16. Wormwood

    Did some of the nephlim survive the flood?

    Good post Webers. I agree that the identity of the "sons of God" is likely not referring to angelic or spiritual beings. Likely more of a reference of the godly mixing with the ungodly as you pointed out.
  17. Wormwood

    Daniel 12: 11

    Here is my thought: The "abomination which causes desolation" is the crucifixion of Jesus. In Daniel 9, it is shown that the coming of the Anointed One will occur after 7 sevens and 62 sevens (69 weeks). The Anointed One comes and confirms a covenant for one seven. Halfway through that seven...
  18. Wormwood

    Did some of the nephlim survive the flood?

    Nephilim spotted! And he's got my jerky! :)
  19. Wormwood

    A FEW QUESTIONS FOR millianialists

    Guestman, I don't have much time, but I disagree with your Greek grammar. A definite article in Greek certainly does not indicate something is literal. This is absolutely not true. The Greek uses the definite article for a host of reasons. Sometimes it is as simple as helping the reader...
  20. Wormwood

    What is wrong with the American Church today?

    Hammerstone- I agree. Luther never intended to break away from the RCC. His desire was to reform it. Since I am not Catholic, I do approve of the Protestant approach to church structure and function. However, I agree that Luther and others never intended to discard all the traditions of the...