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I agree we are still awaiting the age to come physically! But through His Spirit we have a down payment, or earnest of the age to come spiritually when we are born again. Spiritually speaking we have entered into the Kingdom of God even while we physically live. That's why Christ says...

Where in Ro 11 does Paul clearly express that blindness in part shall be lifted after the fullness of Gentiles have come in? How are these words of Christ a confirmation that blindness in part shall be lifted? I read where Christ, speaking to Jerusalem tells them "Behold, your house is left...

Yes, but the age to come for the faithful begins in heaven when we are born again of His Spirit in us. Then when we physically die, our spirit alive, a living soul returns to God in heaven. The 144,000 are the first to ascend to heaven a living spiritual body, so the 144,000 comes at the...

Mt. Sion is in heaven, not on this earth. The 144,000 after being sealed with the Spirit in Rev 7, have gone from being under the altar (Rev 6) to heaven a spiritual body of believers alive, living souls now in heaven with the Lord. Revelation 14:1 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood...

You haven't answered the question I asked? Where does Paul, for that matter the Bible show the blindness of Israel shall be lifted once the last of the Gentiles have come in???? Of course, you cannot present a single verse from Scripture that agrees with your unbiblical doctrine. You...

It's even harder to believe how some, like you, try to force a literal reading into the Revelation of Jesus Christ. A book that is replete with symbolism. Bet you interpret Rev 12 as a literal great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads literally as well...

NOPE! You show how little understanding of Scripture you possess! Why don't you show me "all the components I need to change"....surrounding the 144,000? You appear to be all opinion with no truth! How could you ever find yourself in a Biblical doctrinal trap since you have no understanding...

This is a good verse to bring forth. Notice the verse says to WORK OUT, it does not say WORK FOR. How does one work OUT his/her salvation? For one with fear and trembling, and to understand the verse in context, we find that God, through His Spirit is working in us that after we have received...

I believe the Bible shows us the 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel were the beginning (firstfruits) of saints ascending spiritually alive to heaven AFTER the resurrection of Christ. They lived and died before the Spirit was sent to be IN them. After Christ defeated death by...

Do you believe one must be Catholic to believe Christ? FWIW no, I am not a Catholic, but I am a Bible believing Christian! I KNOW with blessed assurance that though my body shall grow old, sick and one day succumb to death, I shall NEVER DIE! You speak of Abraham and other OT faithful saints...

You're right we are not on the same page. How do you account for the verses I gave you showing Abraham and Israel all heard the Gospel before the first advent of Christ? The Old Covenant faithful learned of the Messiah to come through the Law and Prophets. Those who believed the Messiah would...

I agree, I often use Bible commentaries and Bible concordances, as well as Bible dictionaries, but why would I want help in understanding the Bible from secular sources? Archaeology can be of value, but as long as there are new discoveries the information changes. Unlike the Word of God which...

You'll have to show what traditions of the Jews you fear I may be putting so much faith in??? Maybe I'm a little dense, but I just don't get why a Christian would want to use academia rather than the Bible alone to understand both redemptive and human history??? I've never doubted that...

Why should I believe your references rather than the Bible? I'm just a bit confused about what this thread is attempting to prove??? Sorry!

Maybe over my head, and unable to penetrate your hard head ;)

I know! I've come to the point where I rarely bother responding to his posts because they are so far out there! I can scarcely make out what direction this one will go in next. But I doubt it will be a direction we might likely recognize.

You give no reference that we should believe "Moses" compiled Genesis from older material" that may have come to him through Edomites/Kenites/Midianites, rather than from God. The Bible speaks as though all that is credited to Moses was given him from God, who instructed him to write it down...

If it is true that "The Kenites were the elder branch of the tribe of Midianites", then would not Jethro have been a Kenite from the tribe of Midian?

A little research yielded me this commentary that appears to dispel the Kenite Hypothesis. Ellicott's Bible Commentary for English Readers Judges 1:16 (16) The children of the Kenite, Moses' father in law.—It is difficult to disentangle the names Jethro, Reuel, or Raguel, and Hobab (Jg...

But we weren't talking about the families still living in this world, we were talking about how there is no harm in physical death for those who die in Christ. Of course the death of loved ones is always hard for those who are still living. But their hope shall be, that one day they too shall...