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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Exactly! How can you read the words of Paul and lack understanding between that which is physical, of the earth, natural man, and that which is spiritual, of heaven/celestial, like the angels of God in heaven, without a body? To be a spiritual body in heaven simply means that death of the body...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    When God created mankind from the dust of the earth and breathed into them the breath of life (spirit) was not man created physical? Yes, our bodies shall be changed, they shall be as in the beginning, physical bodies that shall never again die, never be sick, never grow old, cannot be enticed...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    How does Paul, and further how would you define a physical body? Is it not the natural body that comes from the dust of the earth, and is like the first Adam, earthy and not heavenly? Why does Paul say that just as we bear the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    What you said is "Our natural bodies die and when Jesus returns He will raise them as spiritual bodies." Let me rephrase the question. What do you mean when you say our natural bodies will be raised as spiritual bodies? Mankind consists of spirit, which is the breath of life we receive from...
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    The dead of vs 19 above are the dead found here: Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Ephesians 2:5-6 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and...
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I hope and pray you are doing well David, and that PT will help you to fully recover!
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I agree that at this time, or on this earth a spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being spiritually built through the power of the Gospel and Holy Spirit. That Kingdom NOW is a spiritual Kingdom we enter in when we have been born again. And because we who are of faith, believe in Christ we...
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That's mere speculation by you David. Because you cannot prove the assumption by the number of days Adam lived. I do believe God, and since you have not proven what you assume, I cannot agree that God has given you alone this revelation. blessings
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    When Paul speaks these words "but each in his own order" he is speaking of what has become of those who had already died before Christ came. Paul tells us they have not perished because Christ has resurrected from the dead! Christ is the firstfruits of "them that slept". IOW since Christ has...
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    We are spiritually raised ALIVE, each one of us in his/her order of death because Christ has resurrected from the dead and defeated death for all who have spiritual life through Him before they die. This is NOT the resurrection that shall be bodily on the last day when the last trump sounds...
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    When Paul writes, "but each one in his own order" he is NOT speaking of the rapture of our bodies in an hour coming, when the last trump sounds, when Christ returns. Paul is speaking of the raising of the dead in Christ after their bodies have died. The instruction from Paul regarding those...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Again, don't know what you're talking about! I said "Our spirit when indwelt with the Spirit from Christ NEVER dies, so our spirit doesn't have to be resurrected because it never dies." When our body dies our spirit, through Christ's Spirit in us leaves our mortal body and returns to God alive...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    I don't believe Christ was referring to the end of the world, but the end of life for those who endure until they die. This is not limited to first century disciples, but applicable to disciples in every age. Matthew 24:13-14 (KJV) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    A bare grain is how Paul describes being raised a spiritual body. Just as a grain or seed must grow to maturity before it becomes wheat, so too after our natural physical body dies, we become spiritual, and will not be a complete living soul again until our spirit and our body is returned to...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Yes, our natural, physical bodies are mortal and corruptible, dishonorable and weak. Which is why our physical bodies must be resurrected immortal & incorruptible. But the spirit in man, without the Spirit of Christ will die with the physical bodies that shall be cast into the lake of fire...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    What is a physical, spiritual body? Mankind is made of both body, and spirit which together we are living souls. Our spirit does not cease to be spirit when our physical body dies. Paul writes there is BOTH a natural body and a spiritual body, but they are NOT the same body. Natural, physical...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    Since the world known in the first century had heard the Gospel of the Kingdom, it's clear (to me at least) vs 14 is applicable to the first century disciples. But it is also necessary that the Gospel is preached "for a witness unto all nations." That could not have happened before nations...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    With your understanding of Biblical doctrines you bring much insight to every discussion you participate in.
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    I love to study Scripture, it brings me great comfort! So whatever doctrine is being discussed, it seems we eventually discover that no doctrine of Scripture is isolated, all doctrine must be seen as a cohesive whole. Discussing one doctrine will almost always invariably lead to the others...
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    Preterism misrepresents Scripture

    His coming/nearness/presence 'parousia' is through His Spirit in us and shall be Christ again physically with us when He comes again.