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Freedom includes the choice to stay or leave.

Amen! In short: I go where Christ commands me to go and where He tells me His Truth is. There's been a mountain of study, prayer, contemplation, etc behind things. But I honestly have gone where He commands me to. I love visiting other churches (Christian and non) and hearing about what they...

You're playing the "no true Scotsman" card. I don't play that card. And I don't believe that a caged love like OSAS is the greater love. The greater love is given when someone chooses to be there.

Sadness on missing out being with God. The afterlife of unrepentant sinners is a very comofrtable-- wonders and physical comforts and (shallow) happiness much more than you or I could dream of today. But the Father does not reside there. And there is that deep sadness for not being with Him.

No unclean thing can enter His presence. We must be washed of our sins by the Savior. Good verse.

I don't love Christ because I'm trying to afraid some eternal barbecue if I don't. And frankly, I find such fear-based motivation to be... extremely undesirable in any relationship, let alone the most important one (with God). Rather, I come to Christ out of love and emulate Him out of that...

I realize that this statement is going to horribly offend you, but to explain my views. Again, I respect that you views are different than mine. In clinal psychology, that's^ called Stockholm Syndrome. I don't stay with God because I'm a prisoner that have no choice but to stay and love...

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you @Mayflower. Work was crazy busy last week. Your understanding is mostly correct. There is some stuff details timing that could use clarification, but not something to worry about. I'd rather stay big picture right now: yes, I (and other LDS...

@Heb 13:8 do you believe a person have the CHOICE to stay with Christ? Do they have the option to say "no thank you" and walk out the door?

I 100% acknowledge and celebrate Christ's actions on the cross. But because I believe Christ (being ever loving) gives us the choice to come/stay with Him, I cannot accept OSAS (wherein that choice whether to stay doesn't exisit).

Hence why I don't believe in OSAS, and instead believe Christ always lets the person choose to be/stay by His side. Because He loves us and is the manifestation of that miraculous love.

And each person has the choice to come to Christ and to whether to STAY. In OSAS, there is not that choice. I don't know how you specifically view those who have fallen away from the faith, but vast majority of the OSAS explanations of such happenings I find... to be rather luckluster.

Because Christ is not a jailer: I can choose to leave at any point. I'm not in jail where I have no choice. And I choose to stay again every day. Each day I renew my promises with Him. Never do I neglect Christ and let that relationship. Sadly, I've seen others choose to leave Christ and...

Do you hear me when I, as a non-OSAS believer, say that my focus is NOT on myself?

^This is COMPLETELY inaccurate. Again, I respect your right to believe OSAS. But please do NOT misrepresent what other people believe. You can believe in OSAS while acknowledge the truth of what other people belief (such as that non-OSAS do focus on serving Christ).

I"m not. I literally just said:

Vast majority of non-OSAS Christians (including myself) don't go about their lives worrying about "am I saved or still saved or do X in or to be saved right". That's just not a non-OSAS person's focus. Rather, the focus is simply on Christ and loving/following Him continually. It's very...

^This is not an accurate representation on non-OSAS beliefs. Again, I respect that you believe OSAS, but please don't misrepresent other people's beliefs.

Again, I respect t that OSAS is your belief. I've just seen such a belief do a LOT of harm to lots of different Christians, in many different walks of life. Personally, I'd rather just keep my focus on being devoted to God every day.

Personally, I find the "faith vs works" argument to be very much a word-games based red herring. We ALL believe that it's impossible for man to save themselves. We ALL believe that Christ is the one that does the saving. We ALL believe that a person must accept Christ is order to be saved...