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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Spiritual Israelite explains: <no one including Enoch and Elijah had ever gone to heaven up to that point> Bible explains: o. "Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him." (Genesis 5:24) o. Elijah went up in a whirlwind into heaven (2Kings 2:11) o. Both went to heaven, and...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Marty Fox suggested: "taken is another word for dying" IMO in this context (return of Jesus) "on that night" refers to the time of the return of Jesus in vengeance (Luke 17:34). By contrast believers are "taken" at the rapture, to spare them from the horrific judgments to come (John 14:2-3...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Spiritual Israelite noted: <no one but Him ascended to heaven> Consider the following: Zechariah 4:13: "...'These are the *two* anointed ones who *stand by* the Lord of all the earth.'" Revelation 11:3,12: "And I will grant authority to my *two* witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1260...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    The same passage Hebrews 11:5: "By faith ENOCH was *taken up,* so that he should not see death..." 2Kings2:9: "When they had crossed, ELIJAH said to Elisha, " Tell me what I can do for you before I am *taken from you."* 2Kings 2:11: As they were walking along and talking together...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    I read "these all died" as "all those that died."
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Marty Fox noted: "All these people." That refers to those in the group just mentioned that died. Enoch is in a different group, since he did not die.
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Marty Fox says: <had to die to enter heaven> Bible says: o "Enoch walked with God, and he was not, because God took him." (Genesis 5:24) o "Elisha walked with God and he was not, because God took him." (2Kings 2:1) IMO they are the two witnesses (neither had ever died, rather both were...
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    "Status" stems from Latin status = "condition," past participle of Latin stare = "to stand."...

    "Status" stems from Latin status = "condition," past participle of Latin stare = "to stand." English "status" = "condition," i.e. "where I stand."
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Yes, before they died. o. Elijah (2Kings 2:1) : o Enoch. (Genesis 5:24): Heaven is a great place. You do not have to be dead to visit, the Apostle Paul made such a visit (2Corinthians 12:2).
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    IMO: "little horn" in Daniel 7:8 is antichrist (1John 2:18). "Antichrist in this context = " false Christ" (where "anti" = "against," in the sense of "takes the place of").
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    Is The 7th. Day Sabbath A Logical Conclusion according to its appointed times? Scripture

    God rested on the seventh day, hence the Jewish Sabbath day of rest. Gentile Christians eventually moved to Sunday, resurrection day of Jesus. Jesus died on Friday, "rested" in the tomb on Saturday, and rose on Sunday.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    The IMO: o. "Coming prince" (Daniel 9:25 ) is Jesus; see Zechariah 9:9, John 12:14-15. o "Little horn" (Daniel 7:8) is "Anti-Christ," where "anti" = "in place of," i.e. "usurper." The Papacy eventually fomented a rebellion when the Pope declared himself "Vicar of Chris" (God tells Pope, Pope...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    IMO: No one has seen God the Father, because God the Father is invisible (Colossians 1:15). Likewise God the Spirit. Jesus is God (the Word become flesh, John 1:14), and Jesus is visible. He will rule on earth, sitting on his throne, for 1000 years, and that necessitates being visible.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    IMO: Six empires were appointed to maintain order in the Middle East. These are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome. I suppose people of the "coming ruler" (a.k.a. anti-Christ, Daniel 9:26) are the Romans, who destroyed the temple buildings in 70 A.D. I visited Israel once, there...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Covenantee noted: <Daniel 9:26,27 also refers to Messiah> I would say so.
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    Pentecost! Why such a special day?

    IMO: The seven Jewish holidays celebrate seven acts of the Messiah: Passover...................Slain as a lamb...............Isaiah 53:7 Unleavened bread....Sinless body in tomb......Isaiah 53:9 First fruits.................First fruits from grave.....Psalm 16:10...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Literal interpretation does not negate figures of speech and figurative language. Search your internet "metonomy." Yes, I do take it literally in the verse you cite, but I do not know the nature of this "fire." The same kind of thing is noted in the New Testament: "For our God is a...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Messiah the Prince IMO: o. משיח נגיד (Anointed Ruler, Daniel 9:25) refers to Jesus. o. הבא נניד (Coming Ruler, Daniel 9:26) refers to Anti-Christ.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    " Covenant" in Daniel 9:27 is Hebrew בריח (Berit), an agreement between two parties that can never be broken by either party.