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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    It's not what is stated in Acts 1:11, at least. It only says He will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended there, which was visibly and bodily. That says nothing about where He is going after descending from heaven. According to Paul, we will meet Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17)...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    No, I've never seen you do that. I don't know if I do that in relation to frustration over personal things that are going on. Maybe sometimes. What I get frustrated about the most on here is when my views get misrepresented or if false accusations are made against me. I admit that I don't handle...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    What does this have to do with Hebrews 11? Also, scripture teaches that those in the church are God's chosen people. Please read this... Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    The ones it was referring to that all died are all of the people of faith that had previously been mentioned, which included Enoch. And what does that mean exactly? He could not have been taken up to the third heaven/paradise where Jesus was because Jesus said that no one had ascended there but...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I tried. And you know it. I will quote what I said to you if you don't remember what I'm talking about. I tried to get you to be more respectful to Marty and other posters and I said I was open to that as well and you proceeded to completely ignore that. We all act as if we know each other and...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't have this taking place in the 1st century. You have no clue as to what I believe, so stop trying to speak for me. Do you think there are no prophecies in the Bible about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings in the Bible? If so, why would the Bible be silent about such a...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yeah, I think we established that we disagree on this years ago. Maybe we should just agree to disagree at this point instead of repeating the same arguments over and over again. The word consummation means the ultimate completion of an event. In this case, the context of that is in relation to...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Yeah, just ignore the context of the verse. The consummation is related to the consummation of the destruction of the city and the sanctuary. That happened in 70 AD.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The point is that there is no basis for assuming that the trumpet events occur after the seal events. The fact that the trumpets are described after the seals does not prove anything in relation to the sequence of events one way or another. That is not indicated in the text. You're making that...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    You're welcome! This time try to remember what I believe. Jesus. Do you agree that when He confirmed the new covenant with His sacrifice and His blood that it made the old covenant sacrifices and offerings obsolete? That is what Daniel 9:27 is talking about when it refers to the "He" who...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Why would you assume that when the text is contained within the most highly symbolic book in the entire Bible? The two witnesses are said to be "two olive trees" and "two candlesticks" (or lampstands). How does that fit the idea of them representing two individuals? In Revelation 1:20...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    So, how do you interpret Hebrews 11:13 which says that the people of faith, which included Enoch, all died? Hebrews 11:5 does not say that Enoch never died. He was taken up at that time so that he didn't die at that time, but Hebrews 11:13 indicates that he must have died later. Why are you not...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Exactly. But, he thinks we're the bad guys just because we expose the flaws in his false beliefs. The problem is not us. The problem is his extreme pride and stubbornness that is reflected in his unwillingness to acknowledge that he is mistaken and needs to adjust his beliefs accordingly.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why don't you recall that? Do you have a memory problem? I've talked about how I interpret Daniel 9:24-27 many times. How can you not remember? Daniel 9:27 is about the confirming of the new covenant by the blood of Jesus that put an end to the old covenant animal sacrifices and offerings and...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    And I saw how you treat others, so it was no surprise for you to call me a "clown man". Pal. You can dish it out, but can't take it just like so many others on this forum.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    There is more than one definition of the word "flood". It does not have to refer to a literal flood caused by water, if that's what you're thinking. For example, a 911 operator can be said to receive a flood of phone calls after a mass casualty event occurs. The destruction of Jerusalem came...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'll pray for your wife and his wife, also. I guess I might as well mention that my wife is going through immunotherapy treatments for cancer as well, so I'd appreciate your prayers.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    What the prophecy specifically indicates had to be fulfilled by the end of the 70 weeks were the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 and the confirming of the covenant, which we know Jesus did by confirming the new covenant, during the 70th week. That's it. You are reading things into the text that...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Do you think that each day of the last days is 1,000 years in duration? Which would mean that almost 2 of the last days have been completed so far? Peter indicated that the last days refers to the time period during which scoffers scoff at the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:3-4)...