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The problem here is that there is no such group as "trib" saints. They will be the "still here" church!

You have to really stretch it to find pretrib there! I don't think it ridiculous at all. He needs time to build his rep, so to speak. He's not going to pop up out of nowhere and say Hi. I'm your messiah, worship me! He'll be on the scene for a while before the 70th week starts.

There is today and there is tomorrow. In the millennium, there will be a temple or call it a church, a palace, a storehouse for the nations to bring their tithes and offerings Christ will be here physically for a thousand years, do you expect him to hover in the air the whole time?

There will be a future temple as several prophecies show. If constructed as it was, there will be part of the temple that will be called the Holy Place. That doesn't mean "it will be" a holy place, that is just it's name. The temple won't be honored by God, but it will be by the faux...

Matt. 24 and Luke 21 are "not" the same. General abominations and desolations which Israel has been through a myriad of times throughout history is 'not" the same as THE AoD, spoken of by Christ about Daniel in 11:31 and 12:11, "not" 9:27. Lk. 21:20-24 is a stand alone prophecy among the gospels...

I thought it would be interesting to share some quotes from the early church fathers to show what their thoughts of the end times were. I believe, because the various "trib" (pre, mid, post, prewrath) beliefs were not yet formed they could be put in a category called, "post-persecution". (Words...

To have a biblical discussion one first has to an accurate translation of what the verses are 'really" talking about, not what one "thinks" they're talking about.

That is truth for this dispensation but not the next one and the physical truly exists.

What can I say, I'm sorry that you're not able to distinguish the spiritual from the physical. Might as well give up on Amill because you're not reading any of the scriptures in the proper context. Perhaps when that pesky mark comes along, you'll rethink things.

It's always been God's plan. The goal is ultimate unity between the church and Israel as the NJ depicts.

Heavy sigh, One body, two destinies.

In both, there will be only the righteous.

One but in two parts. The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel.

No, I don't have to, I just know it's not all at once.

I do agree w/ all that, I just know it's not all at once.

post persecution premill

I take the bible very literal and if the bible gives two descriptions of similar events, there is a reason why and it is usually because they are two separate events. You just haven't come to that realization yet.

I have addressed any scriptures you have provided, just not in the way you want me to.

The only teacher I have is the HS who leads me to "rightly divide the scripture" and that's a lot easier to do when one realizes there is more than one fulfillment bucket. One gets that when don't try to divide scripture at all and treats them all the same when they are not.

I'm not pretrib.