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  1. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Agreed, but the remnant that enters the millennium will still get the saved the same way the church does, not by their ethnicity but by accepting Christ.
  2. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    We know who the 7 heads (kings/nations) are. We know the 10 horns are the ten nations of the a/c's confederacy. The nations will be part of those who all had control over Israel throughout history also controlled.
  3. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Sorry, but all the John references are referring to the last day of the feast of tabernacles where the next day starts the millennium. 2 Tim, the "day" the church is raptured up to heaven (the last day on earth for the church) for the Bema seat judgment of Christ. John 12 is either the S&G...
  4. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    I don't have time to look for scriptures that aren't there.
  5. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Already explained the difference.
  6. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    or you don't understand what some premills might be saying. You quote all these "twos" show some of them.
  7. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Most of what you proclaimed of premillennialism is flawed but in some occasions two is simply the correct answer.
  8. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    The "last day" is referencing the fulfillment of the feast of Tabernacles when Messiah come to dwell on earth. Yes, it's the end of the dispensation of grace and the church age. Your concept of sudden desruction is over dramatized as the word "total" isn't used. Either you or a faulty...
  9. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    1. For the unsaved world, yes, for the church, no.2. Yes, but not globally. 3. yes. 4. Yes, at Armageddon 5. yes, that is speaking of hell. 6. None. 7. Yes, but post Armageddon, a 2nd thief in the night scenario upon the unbelieving world. 8.-11. At the end of the millennium, yes.
  10. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Sorry, but you're reading it wrong it should read like, heaven and earth can pass away but my words never will. It's kind of like a boast about how strong his words really are. It's "not" giving a sequence of events.
  11. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    Yes, Rev. 13:1 is explained in Rev. 17:7-13. The foundation of this prophecy is based on Dan. 7. You can also see this where Rev. 1:12, 16 is explained in vs. 20.
  12. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    2 Thess. 1:4-10 affirms the rapture, yet again and many will die, over 3/4 of the earth's population according to prophecy. I agree no wicked will enter the millennial era, they will either all have died or were one of the goats at the sheep and goat judgment. Christ isn't in flaming fire, his...
  13. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    1 Thess. 4: 15-5:3 is confirming the rapture as spoken by Christ in Matt. 24:29-31. There are all kinds of destruction throughout the 70th week and Rev. divides them up quite nicely so they should be easy to understand. Yes, most won't escape the destruction and die, but there will be survivors...
  14. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    It's a matter of rightly dividing the word, some prophecies speak of his first advent, some about the 2nd, some about the millennial era and some about the era after the millennium. One shouldn't just pick one and reject the others. If you read two prophecies and they seem to contradict each...
  15. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    This isn't the only place that happens. There is a 1000 yrs. between Dan. 12: 2a & 2b as well John 5:28-29. It's like trying to deny there is a gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. There are way to many millennial prophecies to deny it's existence.
  16. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    They are the firstfruits of what will become the "born again" nation of ethnic Israel.
  17. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    If you are equating Jesus here w/ God then you are correct, but if you think everyone went to hell "until" Christ then that is wrong.
  18. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    1 Cor. 15:12-14 says no such thing. There is a 1000 yrs.+ between vss. 23 and 24. The 'day of the Lord" isn't a single day, it's over a 1000 yrs. long as it includes the millennial era. 1 Thess. 5:3 doesn't say 'total", vs. 9 is speaking of eternal wrath, not end times wrath. 2 Thess 1:7-9 is...
  19. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    No, the church never replaces Israel. Israel was Israel. Since the crucifixion, Jews and gentiles unite as one. After the rapture/resurrection, God will focus again on Israel but in a new covenant way.
  20. Trekson

    The Relationship Between Israel and the Church

    No, but it is explained in Rev. 17. True symbolism is explained or stated in a way where what it is describing is very simple to understand or quite obvious.