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  1. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I was just responding in kind to @brightfame52 who also did not respond with Scripture, but yes I can also show Scripture. I hope he will also show Scripture next time. But for my point please see the below. There is choosing to declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord (obviously not in a...
  2. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I agree with that and part of that faith is that if we sin, we must confess our sins to God, but not in a lip service sort of way, but with the sincere intention that we are going to take action to try to not do it again. If Jesus taught people to forgive their brothers if they repent even 70 x...
  3. Runningman

    The Case for Eternal Security

    I believe that eternal life is not given until after the resurrection. Jesus is our example of this. He was dead then after he was resurrected he will live forever. He made no claims to being immortal or having eternal life prior to being resurrected.
  4. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    This only aligns with Calvinist theology. There are many conditions for salvation in the Bible.
  5. Runningman

    The Case for Eternal Security

    There is a great argument to make on behalf of your beliefs, no doubt, but my approach to the Bible is that there must be an explanation for the things that seemingly contradict each other that make the verses come into agreement. What I believe is that there is a context to everything. Did...
  6. Runningman

    The Case for Eternal Security

    Unfortunately it is not as cut and dry as that because the teachings of Jesus are spread out. Despite seeming to guarantee eternal life to people in the now, how also spoke of it as something that is had later and it seems to be conditional on those who were good or not. What do you make of...
  7. Runningman

    The Case for Eternal Security

    When are or were you eternally secure and why are there teachings in the Bible of people not being eternally secure until if a positive verdict is made at their judgement?
  8. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    So Jesus didn't need to sacrificed for people to have grace? There's a condition. There is also Paul who said people can fall from grace. How is that a picture of unconditional grace?
  9. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    I mean, I hope it doesn't ruffle any feathers. I hope people will understand that grace is something that can be lost. Paul said it anyway and there's a lot of other things that suggest it.
  10. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Grace is conditional and is a response that each person must give actively. You can start with Romans 5:1-2 that says grace is accessed through faith. Faith is therefore a work that someone performs according to Jesus in John 6:29. So the conclusion is grace is earned and it can be lost as well...
  11. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Jesus didn't think high numbers are significant: Mattt 7 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
  12. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Whoever said grace is something that is unmerited? Grace is earned according to the Bible, hence why one can do something to fall from grace. God doesn't make people sin does He? Galatians 5 4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been severed from Christ; you have fallen away from...
  13. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    And then after that there is no mention of anyone mentioning limited atonement. You got the cart is front of the horse; you still have not even shown an example of anyone saying or describing limited atonement as a valid path to salvation. You have not addressed all of the alternatives.
  14. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Your point seems to be that high numbers mean something is true?
  15. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Grace is accessed through your faith, not God's faith. Romans 5 1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand. And we rejoiceb in the hope of the glory...
  16. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Your comment is absurd. Isaiah 41:8,9 is about them being chosen as servants. I believe in some venues among those well read in Scripture, they would be laughing at you. Isaiah 41 8“But you, O Israel, My servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, descendant of Abraham My friend— 9I brought you from...
  17. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    No God didn't force me to be saved. God told us what to do to be saved, I did it. I kept my end of the deal and He kept His, but the final judgement hasn't even happened for me yet. You and I will stand before our maker, regardless of our beliefs, and give an account. Eternal life will be given...
  18. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    You said "False, in order to be given faith you have to be of the chosen seed" you're talking about people being given something by God that they neither asked for and possibly never wanted. You are describing God forcing Himself on others without explicitly stating it.
  19. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Because he preaches false gospels like limited atonement.
  20. Runningman

    Limited atonement !

    Some names need to be mentioned if it helps people know where the false prophet is. Don't you want people to know who to explicitly avoid? It isn't a vain philosophy to protect others.