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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Charlie, do you realize this makes an assumption without biblical authority to do so? The city and temple had become desolate before Messiah came. Daniel is only saying the people of the prince that shall come are the ones who make desolate the city and sanctuary, but he does not say the...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I agree the flood indeed had consequential repercussions. It was the flood itself, which, as I said was an overflowing of abomination from the apostate Jews, that led to the utter destruction, just as abomination of the people led to the destruction in the days of Daniel. I believe this is why...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Charlie, I don't find any reason in the prophesy to assume "the people of the prince that shall come" is not the same Messiah the Prince of vs 25. How can this 'prince' be any other than Messiah the Prince! Because it is this prince of the people that shall come that shall confirm (make...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Charlie, I'm attempting to work backwards in reply to your posts. I don't believe the Bible confirms the belief that God gave a meaningful forty-year span between the cross and the destruction to allow a period of time in which the gospel would first be preached in Jerusalem. According to what...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    The reason the destruction of the city and temple of Daniel's prophesy cannot be from the Roman Army in 70 AD is because the city and temple did not end with "a flood". If one argues for physical fulfillment in 70 AD, be consistent. If the destruction is physical, then the flood would also be...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Thank you for sharing this Marty, I'm so sorry to hear of your wife's cancer. Will be praying the treatments will accomplish complete healing. Yes, God is sooooo GOOD every day! Keep the faith dear friend and brother in Christ.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Thanks Charlie, I understand. I asked because you are placing part of Daniel's prophesy in 70 AD???
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Hi Covenantee, How does that fit with Daniel's prophesy regarding "three score and two weeks" that must be included within the 490 years for the prophesy to be fulfilled as Daniel has written? Daniel puts "Messiah be cut off" with the destruction of the city and temple. Daniel 9:26 (KJV)...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I agree Covenantee! How do you reconcile placing a gap of 30-40 years between the crucifixion and the destruction of the city and temple in 70 AD? If all seventy weeks (490 years) must be fulfilled, and in fact were fulfilled, wouldn't you agree that when the vail of the temple was torn from...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    If the prophesy of Daniel 9 is ALL fulfilled within the time of the cross, why does Daniel not also write of this 30 to 40 year delay?
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    If the prophesy of Daniel 9 references the Roman Army in 70 AD, that would mean the prophesy was NOT fulfilled within the time set by the prophet Daniel. You force a 30-40 year gap/delay the prophesy says nothing about.
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    Charlie are you also Preterit or Partial Preterit?
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    In order for the prophesy to be fulfilled within the timeframe given by Daniel, the destruction of the city and temple must also be fulfilled within that time. And it was, just as the prophet Daniel foretells. From the moment the vail was torn the city and temple ceased to be holy. It was not...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    The blood of Christ on the cross also proves the apostasy of Jesus' kinsmen according to the flesh, who cried "crucify Him". From the moment of His crucifixion, the city and the temple became completely desolate exactly as Christ said they had. The desolation of the city and temple didn't come...
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    70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

    I realize I'm very late to the discussion, so forgive me Charlie for raising this question late. I'm in complete agreement with how you prove "He" speaks of the coming Messiah in Dan 9. I also agree that all that Daniel writes concerning "He" was fulfilled when Christ came to earth a man...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Sorry you view this understanding as nonsense David. Still praying for you, and your wife also. I was sorry to hear she is battling cancer. Edit: Now I'm not certain if it is your wife or the other David's wife struggling with cancer??? However I have been praying for you and yours for...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Good understanding Marty, it's good to have confirmation from others for our understanding of Scripture! I also agree the Scriptures do indeed come more alive when our mind is opened to receive spiritual/symbolic interpretation. Thanks Marty.
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Zechariah seems to be pointing to the darkest day before the dawn. Is it reference to the day the blood of Christ was shed upon the cross? A day known only to the LORD followed by light that shines in the darkness, as living waters began to go out from Jerusalem and the LORD became King over...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    In the last days, that is the days we have been living since the advent of Christ come to earth a man. Have you changed your mind, do you no longer believe we have been living in the last days since the advent of Christ? Peter quotes Joel, who speaks of this time (last days) as the DOTL...
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    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The Prophets of Old prophesy of the DOTL that was to come when man would call upon the name of the Lord to be saved. I would hope that you would not deny that man has been calling upon His name since He came to earth a man. The prophesies from the Prophets of Old also speak of the DOTL that...