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I agree, and so does Peter as he uses Joel's prophesy as proof the day of the LORD the Old Covenant prophets foretell came at Pentecost with evidence of the Holy Spirit being poured out just as the prophet foretells He would be. Acts 2:14-21 (KJV) But Peter, standing up with the eleven...

The times of the Gentiles began when the 1st century disciples were given a mandate to "go and preach the gospel unto all nations." Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, but other Gentiles, until the fullness of them shall be saved, are also among the remnant of Jews of faith elect...

Great tribulation Christ tells His disciples would be for them, began when Christ came to earth with the Kingdom of God. It will continue throughout every age until the seventh/last trumpet sounds and intensify during Satan's little season. When the last/seventh trumpet sounds time given the...

If the elect is not the focus of great tribulation, why would great tribulation need to be shortened for their sakes? If great tribulation is allowed to continue without intervention from God, there would be no elect left, they would all be killed and none left to proclaim the Gospel of the...

Where in the Bible is the wrath of God called "great tribulation"? These verses again prove what I've been saying. The wrath of God, [not great tribulation the disciples shall endure in this world], but indignation and wrath of God on every soul who does evil, repaying tribulation, anguish and...

What do you mean I don't allow? The verse plainly says "great tribulation" without any mention of the wrath of God. Luke 21:21-23 (KJV) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries...

Marty, I didn't make a big deal out of the fact that you misunderstood what I said. Let me try again by rephrasing, 'Your doctrine (Preteristic) believes 70 AD had to be great tribulation that Christ directs to His disciples. The reason you continue to argue 70 AD was great tribulation for the...

I know that's what Preterit doctrine would have us believe! But where from the Bible can you prove great tribulation(S)? We do find tribulation(s)! In the following verses, each verse is speaking of tribulation(s) that come upon the faithful saints (disciples) of Christ. These verses also...

I haven't decided great tribulation can't refer to God's wrath! Anyone able to read the texts can see Christ speaks not of the wrath of God, but of great tribulation. What will be used to bring them great tribulation that God shall permit? Great tribulation came upon them, but there was...

Marty, when did I say that you said "the great tribulation that Jesus assigned to the church was the wrath of God"??? What you're repeating is your belief that 70 AD was great tribulation toward the apostate nation; Israel, instead of the wrath of God. You continue to repeat the wrath of God...

What is your point in continuing to repeat this! Is it not because you are trying very hard to prove your unbiblical doctrine? It is your doctrine that says 70 AD had to be great tribulation that Christ assigns specifically to His disciples, because if it is not great tribulation upon the...

It's not the wrath of God upon them, but as Christ says it is "great tribulation"! Because great tribulation comes to the church through evil power, humans who are the spirit of Satan, acting like and through the power of their father the Devil. When God pours out his wrath, He will not...

I don't believe that Marty! I believe 70 AD is tribulation in your eyes, but for those who were there understood it to be the WRATH of God that He had many, many, many times warned them would be their fate because of spiritual apostacy and idolatry. Matthew 3:7 (KJV) But when he saw many of...

Yes, the unrepentant who are in the church, they are among those who Christ says, "I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first." These are those who profess and appear to be true believers, but then Christ says...

I know that, but I prefer to engage directly with posters who aren't always ready to be hostile and disrespectful. This is a little selfish on my part, because with me hostility invites hostility, and I don't wish to become one who replies in a manner that does not bring glory to God.

I don't disagree Marty, we too have gone through things in life that can only be described as tribulation, even great tribulation. But it would be dishonest of me to speak of the judgment of God against an apostate nation as great tribulation Christ says His disciples must endure as we seek to...

Why would I or anyone for that matter listen to your vivid imagination since you cannot or will not answer my question? You, like some others in these forums more resemble internet trolls, then Christian you profess to be. Defining an Internet Troll in Christian Forums In the context of...

Why does Christ tell His disciples that they must endure "great tribulation" as they proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ to all the nations of the world, if believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air (raptured) to keep them from going through great tribulation?

Can you prove from the Bible that great tribulation Christ tells His disciples both they and we must endure is DUAL Prophecy? I don't see it as DUAL Prophecy, but as continual prophecy or prophecy that began to come to His first disciples that is also true for Christians in every single age as...

I stated it for you because you have misunderstood how Rev 2:22 is speaking of great tribulation coming against the church just as Christ said His disciples would be called to endure.