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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    What was your reason for pointing out that they are parables then? Since you agree that parables can be used for doctrine, the fact that they are parables is irrelevant to what we're talking about. That passage gives details relating to Christ's second coming that simply do not support your...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    You make His mention that all unbelievers were destroyed in the flood meaningless and pointless. As if Him pointing that out had no relation to what will happen when He comes again. I completely disagree with that. He mentioned that detail for a reason. He mentions that all unbelievers were...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    I don't do that. There is no replacing of the immediate context, but there is no reason not to look at the other accounts for helping to understand the context, if necessary. Sure, we can try to figure that out the best we can first, but if that is not clear, then we can look at Matthew and...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    First and Second coming?

    Most Christians believe that the souls and spirits of those who physically/bodily die immediately go to be with the Lord in heaven, so there's no need for those who believe in the future mass bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ to tell the family that their loved one will be bodily...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So, what do you see happening when Jesus comes exactly? Do you think that people will have to literally appear before Him to give an account of themselves? If so, how do you see that working exactly? Paul does say that we will meet Him "in the air" (1 Thess 4:14-17). What do you think that...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Some translations don't include the word "the" there because it's not in the original manuscripts. I don't believe that verse is talking about any particular great tribulation time period or event, but rather is talking generally about believers around the world enduring great tribulation until...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    What I meant to ask is if you see living unbelievers as being transported (not transformed) immediately from where they are to appearing before Jesus on His judgment seat/throne. I used the wrong word there. I wasn't talking about the transformation/change of their bodies like what Paul talks...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Read my post #488. Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Do you think "such as has not been" means "of as great of a scope has not been"? That's not what it says. How could any...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Because there are only two bodily comings of Christ. The first one is obvious and happened long ago. The second one is "the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13) when He will come in like manner as He ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11). In a...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

    That verse has nothing to do with a peace treaty in the Middle East. Let's look at it in context. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    That's a good point. The reference to "the natural man" is obviously not referring to an individual man. That's my understanding of "the man of sin", also. Good catch. The man of sin is also referred to as "that wicked" in 2 Thess 2:8. Again, that does not have to refer to an individual man...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Please don't confuse people who are not aware of what others believe. You are only talking about partial preterist amills here, not all amills. Many amills, like me, do not believe that Jesus came in 70 AD in any way, shape or form.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Right. That is my issue as well. I'm completely fine with it if he doesn't have time to respond to us, because other things are more important, but it would be better for him not to make long, detailed posts if he doesn't have time to follow up to the responses he gets to them.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I have a ton of stress in my personal life, so this has nothing to do with that. If you don't have time to follow through on these discussions, then just let us know so that we can know not to respond to all of your points while expecting you to do the same. If we know in advance that you are...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Jesus was not talking about the greatest tribulation of all-time in terms of one that would kill the most people. Read the text. He said it would be unlike any other great tribulation. Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    So, you see 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 20:9 as all referring to figurative fire relating to the dissolving of the heavens and the elements and the burning up of the earth and all the things on the earth. We see the end result as being the same, so it's not something to have a big debate...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    How did you just completely miss the point of my post? Did you not read what was being discussed? My point is that agreeing with a Jehovah's Witness or Mormon that Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead does not make you a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormon. I was saying that in response to...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Then why do you so often try to turn the Amil vs. Premil debate into a OSAS vs. NOSAS debate? A lot of the Calvinist vs. Whatever debates center around that. You accept his Amil view of Zechariah 14 as being viable? If so, then why do you argue so much against Amil? Zechariah 14 seems to be...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So, you're only wanting to be more respectful with me and not with him? Why not try to be more respectful with everyone? I addressed a post you made about Matthew 19:28, Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 3:21 and all I hear is crickets in response. That's what frustrates WPM and I about you. We...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What I was talking about is something completely different than someone trying to completely change the subject of a thread for no good reason, as you did. You are so ignorant that you posted something describing what preterism is and you couldn't even see that it doesn't describe me at all. It...