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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    If my other post was not clear enough, let me repeat some of it. Regardless of how you translate it, there’s nothing in Zechariah 14 that places the prophecy before Christ’s first coming. The entire context is clearly eschatological---it looks ahead to a global confrontation and divine...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    I don’t see how Luke 24:44 settles this question the way Amils suggest. In that verse, Jesus is telling the disciples that everything written about Him in the Law, Prophets, and Psalms had to be fulfilled---and indeed, everything related to His first coming (His suffering, death, and...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Regardless how you look at it, there is nothing in Zechariah 14 meaning before the first coming. You would then have us believe that the NT speaks of two different days of the Lord that happen after the first coming, rather than only 1 day of the Lord? This other day of the Lord pertaining to...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Let me be clear about what I’m saying, because it seems the point keeps getting misunderstood. I’m not claiming that the OT prophets explicitly wrote, the Messiah will come twice. What I am saying is that the OT contains both comings---the first plainly, and the second implicitly, later...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Before we can proceed further, we need to get on the same page here. What exactly are you meaning by this? Especially when a 1st coming and a 2nd coming equals 2 comings, does it not? Which then seems to contradict what you just said prior to that--Yes, both the first advent and Christ's Second...
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    How Many Judgements Of Being Cast Into The Lake of Fire Are There?

    Let's start with an analogy first. When a new President is elected, there comes an hour appointed for him to take his seat of authority. We might say, The hour is coming when the President shall be sworn in and shall appoint his cabinet. Yet no reasonable person would imagine that every part...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    It might be different if you were unintelligent or something, thus have a valid excuse as to why you don't comprehend some of these things. Except you are not unintelligent, therefore, you have no valid excuse as to why you are unwilling to comprehend some of these things. So why are you...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    It's hard to tell from your post as to whether you agree or disagree with me? All I know is, Revelation 12:17 is meaning after satan has been cast unto the earth. And that Revelation 12:17 obviously involves Revelation 13:7. And that Pretrib has the church in heaven when Revelation 13:7 is...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    I just presented the following to Chatgpt, and the following is how Chargpt reasoned through what I submitted to it. --------------------- Me: The way Revelation 12:17 reads to me is like such. Before satan focus' attention on the woman's offspring, those that have the testimony of Jesus...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Am I jesting? All I'm doing is demonstrating a point. The war against the saints take place on earth. Except when Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 13:7 are meaning, Pretrib has the church in heaven not on the earth. As if it makes sense that the war in those 2 verses are taking place against a...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Obviously, this---and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and...
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    Revelation 4 interpretation

    Maybe relevant to your OP, or maybe not, though this says Day and night they never stop saying this, a cpl of things prove this isn't literally meaning every second of the day nor is it meaning they will be doing this forever, saying Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,’ who was, and is...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Yet, the following already proves that 'ge' is not meaning the land of Israel in verse 30. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth(ge) shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. And not this instead Heaven and the land of Israel shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Verse 35...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Assuming 'ge' could be meaning the land of Israel in Matthew 24:30, why didn't the text come out and say so, like it does in Matthew 2:20, and Matthew 2:21, for example? Matthew 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land(ge) of Israel: for they are dead...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Unless I misunderstood you, it appears to me you indicated that Omega is meaning when the 7th trumpet sounds. Yet, compare with Revelation 21:6 and what I highlighted in purple. The point being, the end can't come, thus the Omega, until after the GWTJ and that 1 Corinthians 15:28 is then...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    One can't come out of the tombs bodily, then that mean disembodiment instead. When Jesus came out of His own tomb, He did not come out of there in a disembodied state, He clearly came out of there in a bodily state. 'Bodies' do not equal disembodiment. The text clearly says 'bodies'. For...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come , the Almighty. Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end . I will give unto him that is athirst of the...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    My view is that no one will still be procreating during the millennium in the future. But let's assume I'm wrong about that. It would simply mean mortals are the ones procreating, not immortals. Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from...
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    I will raise them on the last day.

    While that is true, then assuming Matthew 27:52-53 actually happened at the time, that doesn't mean we are unable to deduce what likely became of them eventually. After all, there is such a thing as using common sense. For example. Is it reasonable that they came out of their tombs and...