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    The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

    Roger, has it ever occurred to Amils that God is bigger and more powerful than satan, thus doesn't need to bind satan in order for anyone to be saved? And something else comes to mind, with Amil theology in mind. Amil only tends to focus' on Gentiles being saved during the NT church age. What...
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    The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

    IMO, verse 4---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands--that this martyrdom is not even possible to begin with unless what all is recorded in Revelation 13 is fulfilled first. Therefore, placing what is recorded...
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    The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

    In the book of Revelation, the phrase 'no more' is never used in other passages the way Amils use it in Revelation 20:3. Premils believe Revelation 20:3, that it means satan can't deceive anyone during the millennium. If he can't deceive some, yet can still deceive others(the Amil view), that...
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    The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

    Below are my thoughts, my view. But I did use Chatgpt in order to articulate my thoughts more clearly. And since some posters appear to be somewhat anti-chatgpt, so what if I want to use Chatgpt at times, as a tool to articulate my thoughts more clearly? That's not the same as me getting my...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    It seems to me our main disagreement is pertaining to when the DOTL initially begins. I don't have a problem with it initially beginning 2000 years ago if there is something that supported that. Yet there isn't anything that supports it. Maybe you are meaning a day of the Lord in another sense...
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    The 5 stages

    Douggg, you don't have these things figured out. Because if you did you should be able to tell us in advance the exact day, month, and year, that day 1 on your chart begins. It's not like you can use this as an argument---no one knows the day and hour(Matthew 24:36--since your proposed day 1 on...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    There are some Amils, for example, who correctly interpret Matthew 24:30–31 as referring to the second coming. But then they insist that Matthew 24:21 is referring to 70 AD. Then, when they come to Zechariah 14, these same Amils insist that the day of the LORD in Zechariah 14:1 is not the same...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    I would indeed be in error if I am saying that. Except I'm not saying that, not even remotely. What I am saying is that verses 17-18, 21, already began to come pass during Pentecost 2000 years ago, and continues to come to pass even now. What hasn't come to pass is that great and notable day of...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    I can't tell if we are are on the same page about some of these things or not. The following is basically how I tend to understand Acts 2:18-21. Then explain to me why it would be incorrect to understand these verses in this manner? In the event you disagree. Acts 2:17 And it shall come to...
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    The 7 years and the great tribulation period

    So when are you going to get around to proving per the NT that Ezekiel 39:9 is taking place during the 70th week, where the 2nd half of the week would be involving great tribulation, thus the 42 months reign of the beast? Show us in Revelation 13 where it ever depicts anyone destroying weapons...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Shouldn't Scripture interpret Scripture? Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my...
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    Hell = choice or punishment?

    Look at the sheep and goats judgment, for example. The goats meant in that account are being cast into hell for simply failing to do any of the following. Matthew 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Let's focus on some of my arguments then, thus allowing you or any other Amil the opportunity to debunk them and provide the alleged correct understanding instead. Here is one of my arguments. "Take verse 11, for instance. Imagine applying that prior to 70 AD rather than after 70 AD. As if...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Yet some of what is recorded in Zechariah 14 couldn't possibly fit between His first advent and 2nd advent. Therefore, must fit after His 2nd advent. For example. Zechariah 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Since 70 AD obviously can't fit verse 2 nor 3 in Zechariah 14, what then do you propose can fit verse 2 and 3 but is not meaning thousands of years later?
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Does this mean you are being reasonable after all, to some degree, unlike some other Amils around here, and that you admit Zechariah 14 records the 2nd coming? Numerous Amils, and numerous Premils but not including Pretribbers, take the 7th trumpet to be involving the 2nd coming.
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    The Meaning Of “NO MORE” In Revelation

    Me asking Chatgpt the following: What about the following phrase used in Revelation 20:3---'no more'? That same exact phrase is also used in the following verses in Revelation. Revelation 3:12, Revelation 7:16, Revelation 18:14, Revelation 18:21, Revelation 18:22 Revelation 18:23...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    Yet nothing in Zechariah 14 is meaning during a time when Jesus walked the earth. Yet is involving a time after He walked the earth then left the planet. IOW, Zechariah 14, some of it is meaning during His ascension. None of it is meaning before His ascension. And that some of it is meaning...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    The DOTL has a beginning and an ending, just like you said. Except it makes zero sense that the beginning began with the first advent 2000 years ago. We are clearly told, in 1 Thessalonians 5:2, for example, what initiates the beginning, that it comes as a thief in the night. 2 Peter 3:10...
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    WAYS THAT AMILS GET ZECHARIAH 14 WRONG

    I'm not claiming anyone is claiming that. I'm saying that to make a point, that since Zechariah 14 isn't involving anything before the 1st coming, this indicates that ch 14 is taking place during the last days. What is one thing that takes place during the last days? The DOTL, for one. More than...