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I NEVER SAID HE DID. You have no idea what I said.

QUOTE by rebuilder ""You really serious???? You defend that 1 thes 4 is NOT THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISING BEFORE ANY LIVING BELIEVERS?????""" Reply by Dave; ""Ha ha ha ha ha...."" Strange how a doctrine can drive a man into a state of exclusive euphoric oblivion. Not aware of the evidence...

I don't think you know what romans 9-11 is saying, or the 2 wives illustrated in the Ot.

The bible says the 144,000 are an exact number out of Jewish/ Hebrew tribes and are firstfruit messianic Jews. You say they are not, then call your challenger names. Not even realizing they, and the main harvest Jews of rev14:14 are in heaven , GATHERED BEFORE YOUR 1 BIBLE VERSE OF "AFTER THE...

Still waiting for the historical evidence of; The AC The Mark The flying scorpions Hailstones of fire. All born again believers that were murdered refusing the mark. The 2 witnesses calling down fire that kills anyone coming against them. The 4 horsemen. All off the top of my head. I am sure...

Most everyone knows the Jews are waiting for their messiah. Their sin is not knowing who Jesus is. They are waiting for a Messiah that has already come. By not understanding the 2 wives and romans 9-11, end times will be a shallow study. Just look at all the members in here that blenderize...

The 144,000 are vividly illustrated WHO THEY ARE. Your defense against that fact; " you are a nazi and the bible is a lie" In all the years I have been debating postribber doctrine 1) every single one of you sends the debate into personal goofy attacks. 2) you are one of the worst. How old...

Here He is coming in power and great glory: Rev 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a...

QUOTE ""Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews ."" Rev 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the...

Lol. Salvation is ONLY through Jesus. That does not mean there are not 2 covenants. The last covenant supercedes the first. The first is NO LONGER valid. It is SUPERCEDED. THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST WILL BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH JESUS. YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what is going on. In your mind you...

I guess you are allergic from romans 9-11. Ahem ...the 2 covenants you say do not exist. Now I see why , in your understanding, the 144,000 Jews are not Jews . Just flat out ridiculous.

rebuilder 454 said: I 100% belive Jesus will return on a horse with millions of horses with saints mounted on them as seen in Rev 19. Rev 14:14 is not and can not be that return of rev 19. Impossible. So the "one coming" fallacy is laid to rest? Acts 1 " like manner" return is the "rapture...

I never said the rapture was Rev 14:14. The rapture is pretrib as Jesus taught. Take it up with him. But Rev 14:14 HAS A GATHERING BEFORE the second coming of rev 19. You can't see that that destroys any hope of a second coming rapture???? The dead in christ are PRECEDED ????? Your doctrine...

I never said and never have believed rev14;14 is THE rapture of 1 thes 4. Rev 14:14 just will not go away via doctrinal attempts. Way too much to hide and invent. The facts that won't go away; 1) They are gathered and Preceeded by First-fruits Jews.( that are gathered to heaven.) 2) They are...

Evil Paul separated them. So I guess I will side with Paul no matter how evil you see the body of Christ.

The scripture points us to a person. That person is bigger that his book. All your verses are right on target. Jesus is salvation. His book points us to him. Correct?

Gomer. Read Hosea. Romans 9 -11. The Jews grafted back in. Ruth the GENTILE bride. Read Ruth. See the role of Naomi. The 144k are ethnic Jews. Firstfruit JEWS. Rev 14 14. The Jews SEE JESUS and come in THROUGH THEIR MESSIAH...JESUS. 3 separate comings. All through Jesus

I 100% belive Jesus will return on a horse with millions of horses with saints mounted on them as seen in Rev 19. Rev 14:14 is not and can not be that return of rev 19. Impossible. So the "one coming" fallacy is laid to rest? Acts 1 " like manner" return is the "rapture coming" ( MAIN...

Salvation is a person. Not a formula. Paul was arrested by Jesus. No salvation formula. You got the cart before the horse. You got the bible bigger than the one that wrote it.

Yes Gods people the Jews are appointed to Jacob's trouble. When you finally Begin to understand the wife of the Old Testament, illustrated with Gomer in Hosea, is exactly that, the wife gonna astray.... the Jewish people. Then start to understand the bride of Christ in the New Testament, which...