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What are you getting at? I know who my redeemer is.

The 144k are firstfruit Jews harvested before main Jewish harvest of rev 14:14. They could be preachers as you have asserted, but I don't see that. You have to factor in the firstfruits dynamic. There are 2 harvests. Church Jews. Both harvested under the banner of the gospel of christ...

Ok. So you are unlearned of Daniel. You want to be taught the prophecy. Ok I can help. Dan 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make...

I quoted your word ( or some other postribber), you/they, used against my verses. You/they, therefore, called God's word gibberish. You are basically not debating but into snarky trolling. Where is any investigation on your part? Either get into the actual debate or go play somewhere. I am...

Jesus has half taken, half left be Behind. in Jesus analogy. In your theory, you are placing earth's populations as half wicked and half born again. It gets even worse for that theory of "half earth's population wicked, half righteous" theory of postrib teachers. Because Jesus makes yet...

All those hoping for the church to go through the trib never, ever, post the rapture verses, nor do they ever post the 2 escape verses by Jesus. They post the trials from all the past ages of the church, and the trials and persecutions we are promised as believers.....as if pretribbers are not...

The purpose of the trib is preparation of the Jews and marks the time of the Gentiles. Jacob's trouble. Not churches trouble. Not kick the bride of Christ around for purification.

Mat 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took...

Huh? Jesus said before the flood. The second coming of rev 19 is before the flood? ?? One gathered one left behind before the flood?

Since 1976.

QUOTE """And from the time of Christ to the 'first resurrection' towards the end of the Great Tribulation, will there be only '144,000'??"" The bible never says that. I never said that. You simply made it up. Look, you have no idea who or what the 144,000 are. THE BIBLE is so clear of who...

1) the trib is 7 years according to Daniel. 2) in the middle of it ( 3 .5 yrs) the ac desecrates the Holy of Holies. 3) Rev 13 says all recieve the mark or die. ....all of which you call gibberish. You can not for some reason even discuss it without character assassination. Face it. You need...

Matt 24 the second coming 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and...

Lol. You omitted what Jesus said concerning his coming before the flood. Then you tried to bring in verses to help your position when Jesus showed you the impossibility of your doctrine. Read carefully please. Your one and only theoretical postrib rapture verse ( that you omit the entirety of...

Jesus muddied the water???? "As in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of man be." See what your teachers did to you? They have you believing that Jesus muddied up his own bible. What is comical is your teachers taught you a pretrib rapture verse in that ONE AND ONLY verse...

Both sides believe the second coming is after the trib. In your doctrine, YOU NEED Noah gathered POST FLOOD. Your doctrine NEEDS lot gathered post fire. Your doctrine NEEDS the baby Jesus to stay in Israel and NOT BE GATHERED TO EGYPT. Your doctrine needs a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SETTING for the...

Rev 14 is right before the wrath part of the 7 yr gt. Rev 14 is a Jewish gathering. I read it like it says.

Let me know if you honestly read them. That is easy. Matt 24 "BEFORE THE FLOOD, ONE TAKEN, ONE LEFT" Noah, lot, and tge baby Jesus gathered pretrib. Jesus said " because you have kept the word of my testimony, I will also keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the entire world "...

You 100% made that up. Yes yes yes , I know....the 144k is way over all your heads. They also destroy postrib rapture theory. Yep another thing postribbers just do a sky grab and say the 144k are just some abstract thought of God.

There's yet another thing. Every postrib rapture teacher needs to be fired for omitting the 2 wives