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We teach rev14:14 can not, and never will be the same thing as Jesus on a horse with millions of horses and saints blackening the sky in a war battle. (Ahem...the second coming of rev 19. Vs Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD rev 14:14) Your ENTIRE DOCTRINE blown apart by EVERY Pretrib verse. No...

Rev 14? I can basically quote it for you. " I saw one sitting on a cloud holding. A sickle and the angel told the one sitting on the cloud to thrust in his sickle, And reap the harvest of the earth" How do I know it is during the trib? Because a few sentences later the great battle accours...

Study? You need me to do your study? You don't have biblegateway handy to investigate Rev 14? I can basically quote it for you. " I saw one sitting on a cloud holding. A sickle and the angel told the one sitting on the cloud to thrust in his sickle, And reap the harvest of the earth" How do I...

Two harvests. Two firstfruits. Two wives. Two gatherings. Two comings in Matt 24. The grain harvest and the fruit harvest (2 separate harvests) Grain harvest has the wheat and barley. (2 parts of the grain harvest). Ruth is the grain harvest. Gomer is the fruit harvest. You will never see...

The rapture of rev 14;14, is BEFORE the 2nd Coming of rev 19 on millions of horses. What a dilemma.

That means John was looking back 60 years? While in heaven

All that is false conjecture based on how you assume others are controlled by fear or some other imaginary dynamic. If you factor in the bride and groom, the entire picture changes. Things line up in harmony. Without the bride , groom, wife, and "husband" ,as heaven uses to illustrate end...

Both sides believe and use those verses. Only one side sees,and understands the word "revealed". Your side can not read for context. You would be wise to look up the word "revealed". That would be an excellent starting place for basic investigation. Try it. Do a tiny bit of investigation...

Do you honestly or dishonestly deny the 3 comings from the bible? I have never believed your false assertions. Your statement is incorrectly based on "one coming"..... (the concept where ALL postribs get owned) We see two comings where he never touches the earth. 1 these 4, Matt 25, acts 1...

I didn't interpret. I posted the exact representation of what is written

QUOTE ""The number one thing that is unmistakable is, the Lord Jesus Christ will personally destroy the antichrist by the brightness of His coming"" Both sides have believed that for many years.

You have been taken to school on your one coming fallacy where you guys think 3 vivid distinct SEPARATE comings are one. Then you take that false debunked thought into some smoking gun, when you can not, nor ever will be able to unpack acts1 or Rev 14 :14. Your 1 coming deal is easily debunked...

We force them to go against the Bible. And they do so willingly and eagerly

The white horse rider of the seals is the ac He carries a bow ( bow = covenant) and wears a crown. He is revealed possibly before that. Revealed as Obama was over a year before he took power. So the REVEALING of the ac is years before the temple desecration.

Pretrib rapture . Mat 24 " Before the flood one is taken the other left behind watch and be ready" Jesus said " Because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of trial as about to come up on the whole world." Jesus said "but pray that you may be counted...

Romans 9- 11 The covenant Jew grafted back in. The 144,000 are firstfruits. Firstfruit Jews. 1) the first part of main harvest. 2) a Jewish only harvest. 3) the covenant people. Budists or any other people are not a part of the Jewish covenant people. Read romans 9-11. The harvest of rev14:14...

Lol You left off the biblical description of the 144,000.

Sigh You SKIPPED WHAT THEY ARE , WHO THEY ARE, AND PURPOSE. Then you pushed forward a reckless attempt to protect your doctrine. Why do you point to "origin of salvation" and skip EVERYTINHG the bible says about the 144,000?????? ....including WHO THEY ARE, AND THEIR ROLE??????? YOU...

Wrath would be the LOF...total annihilation. The JOB of the ac is to kill the saints. The bible says POWER WAS GIVEN THE AC TO DO JUST THAT ONCE It is realized the rapture is the gathering of the bride, the ENTIRE picture comes in focus. It is a shame that the TRUE starting place to discern...

The fact the ac kills all refusing the mark would be persecution against EVERY believer left behind. That is HOW the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled and Jacob's trouble begins. Only pretrib rapture addresses all dynamics Rev 14:14 totally blows that false concept out of the water. You are...