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"b) declaring victory when our truth is rejected c) walking away feeling misunderstood, superior, and confirming our own feelings of persecution by a fallen world. This senario [sic] is a boring waste of time so if it goes likes that, i am just not interested in continuing." Hey, if you want to...

God is Father of everything including his firstborn, only-begotten Son. Israel was aware of YHWH being their Father. Is. 64:8 (or :7); John 8:41. Jesus had declared the Father many times before John 17:3 - John 5:36, 37, for example. How is it that Jesus calling the Father 'the only true God'...

Well, see, you have started off being rude. I never said anything about this being one on one, and in fact if you read my last post carefully, you will see that I wanted to try it right here. However, given your attitude and your unwillingness to stick to a subject ("there is no category"), I...

Okay let's discuss John 1:1c right here, if you're willing to be serious (and polite). We'll see how it goes regarding disruptions and off-subject posts.

Well, it's people like you who disrupt a discussion that is very important to me that I am trying to avoid . If that won't work, and it appears that you may intend to see that it doesn't work here, I will try to go somewhere that has one-to-one discussions.

I guess that deserves an answer. If "always seeking one on one argument" means I have now done it twice, I guess you're correct. In the past when I find someone who is honestly willing to discuss with me, the discussion invariably gets choked with others chiming in with nonsense or off-subject...

Scott has asked me to start off with my first scripture we will discuss. I believe the Most High God of the Bible is a single 'person' (YHWH, the Father alone.) I am also asking that when using a quote from the OT, please use a Bible which uses one of the accepted transliterations of God's...

I'll go ahead and set it up here. If you would prefer the head-to-head discussion instead, let me know.

So would you like me to set up our discussion on this forum or set up a head-to-head debate here: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=40

I guess we could do as Aspen and I have done in 'Who is God.' Or we could go to a group which is set up for one-to-one debates. I would be glad to set up either one, but I'd like some assurance that we stick to one scripture at a time and answer by clearly addressing that scripture alone until...

Well you will have to show me the scriptures (one at a time, taking turns) which show Jesus revealed as Almighty God and the HS revealed as the Almighty God. It was not accepted by the Church until the 4th century (and then with much dissent and furor). If it had been clearly revealed in...

"I have not prooftexted." I didn't ask that. I asked if you only accept as 'prooftexts' those scriptures which Trinitarians use. You seem to exclude John 17:3 as a prooftext (and probably every other scripture I cite to show a single person God: YHWH the Father). However, you have cited John...

Do you mean that only scriptures used by Trinitarians as 'proof' are prooftexts? We are not discussing nature, we are discussing 'persons' who are God (see the title above), and there are more of them than this one. How does "only" or "alone" in John 17:3 not limit God to one person? As for...

This is what I was afraid would happen. The scripture in question (which we were to discuss until we both agree to go on to another scripture telling who is God) tells us that the Father is God alone, and that Jesus was sent by Him. I don't see the third 'person' who is also supposed to be the...

??? How important does this scripture say it is to know the Father, who is the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ? John 17:1, 3 - "Father.... This is eternal life: to know thee who alone art truly God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent" - NEB. Probably more important than, say...

Aspen: "I have the standard, orthodoxy Christian interpretation; Jesus, in his humble state of being, is relating to God the Father from the standpoint of a child; which as children of God, we are called to do." I see nothing explaining "Father is God alone". I didn't know there was a...

I'm sorry, Aspen, but I really do not see how your post answers the question of how John 17:3 is not saying the Father alone is the only true God. Can you put it in simple everyday language for a simple man? We're supposed to be, at least, 'sharing ideas.' If I honestly don't understand...

Hi, Aspen. I'll check back around noon tomorrow. Stay warm.

I'm sorry, maybe it's my aging brain, but I still don't understand how your reply explains that the Father is not the ONLY true God. This scripture says to me that only the Father is God. Not Jesus, not the HS, but only the Father. John 17:1, 3 - "Father.... This is eternal life: to know thee...

I had hoped that we would discuss the scripture presented until we both decided to move on to the next one. Do you have an interpretation for John 17:3 itself that would nullify the meaning that the Father alone is the true God?