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FOR WHICH STATE OF RELIEF DID SUFFERING PAUL AND HIS PEOPLE GROAN? I say: Paul's use of "naked" and "unclothed" refers to the intermediate state between clothed in a mortal body down here, and clothed a resurrection body up there: lying naked and unclothed without a body, resting in peace in...

How about you just accept the truth? If Jesus is not at this moment suffering in the fires of eternal torment, then "Christians" need to stop falsely claiming they've been saved from the fires of eternal torment.

Yes, the punishment for the wicked is eternal....but what is the punishment? Eternal torment in flames? You answer is in Romans 6:23, which says it's DEATH!

Yes, the punishment of the wicked is endless...but what is the punishment? IT'S DEATH!!!

His post was spot on, and of necessary length -- because the errors of the Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment crowd are long. Every single "proof" text offered in defense of it can easily be shown to actually support the truth of "mortal man" and that Jesus "only hath immortality".

Please select which of the following lines up with Pauline doctrine, and which is the height of theological redonkulousness: "We who are in this mortal body groan for relief from life's burdens, but ... [ ] ...not by the relief we'd find Resting In Peace in the grave naked, unclothed, without...

Why do you keep insisting that "depart and be with Christ" is instantaneous when the Bible is completely silent on that?

I have verses 3 and 4 of Ecclesiastes 9 which speak of literal death, not spiritual death, of both man and beasts to establish a context for "death" in verse 5 as referring to the literal sense of the word. What do you have to argue the context has verse 5 referring to "spiritual" death...

Bro, it's you who's implying the Bible speaks of Paul wanting to "depart and immediately be with Christ" when no such words have ever broken Biblical silence. I'm saying "depart and be with Christ" has room for an interim of time lying naked, unclothed, without a body, resting in peace in the...

"Rightly dividing the word of truth" means properly separating portions of Scripture to teach a Biblical truth in a manner that preserves both textual and contextual harmony. Does the Immortal Soul crowd do that? No, they deny that the Rich Man and Lazarus is parabolic and claim it literally...

Solomon says time is pretty relevant. A time for this, a time for that...that's what I've been saying: there's a time for us to be born, a time to die, and a time to lie dead awaiting the resurrection., which Paul's preference is to skip and just go on to be with Jesus in his resurrection...

No silence at all for those who don't stop their ears from hearing the truth ;) Scripture plainly says "David" - the whole person, not just his body - "is not ascended into heaven", Job waits in the grave for his "change" which comes after "Thy wrath (7 last plagues) be past", Paul says his...

Are you there with her the instant you depart work, or do you have to drive home? (Assuming you don't work from home with her there all day)

The absence of "instantly" means his absence here and his appearance there need not be instantaneous - and the rest of Scripture confirms it's not instantaneous, if we don't ignore it.

I think the language is clear enough. The Soul named Marks is comprised of a mortal body and the Spirit of life - when Marks dies, his mortal body will rot away, his spirit shall "return to God Who gave it" and Marks will cease to exist, naked, unclothed, without a body until the resurrection...

It doesn't say "depart and INSTANTLY be with Christ", friend! If a man says, "Can't work late, boss, I gotta leave work and have dinner with my wife"...does that mean he INSTANTLY appears in the restaurant the moment he drives out the company parking lot?

If you think the last trump is blown at any time except when the Bible says it is: when the dead rise in the resurrection at the Second Coming, good luck with that.

Is there a third option to: (1) in reserve for us later (2) possessed by us now

My interpretation is governed by the Holy Spirit and common sense...and a little wisdom picked up from the wisest man who ever lived. Who was it that said, "ye shall not surely die" again? You got it.

Either Paul failed to instruct us to comfort each other by saying our dearly departed are rejoicing in heaven with Jesus, or he correctly instructed us according to "the whole counsel of God".