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    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    That is absolutely ridiculous. Nowhere in the Bible, or anywhere else for that matter, is amniotic fluid ever call the water of life. The only place that I find the "water of life" in the NT is in Revelation. And I am pretty certain that none of those cases are referencing amniotic fluid.
  2. J

    The Reception of the Holy Spirit and Being Born Again

    So you are not saved by believing? Interesting! So, what is the difference between you and someone not saved?
  3. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    He didn't mention amniotic fluid either.
  4. J

    The Reception of the Holy Spirit and Being Born Again

    That is what you say. That is not what Paul said. The false insertion of (what we do) is strictly your, not Paul's, words. Jesus said believing is a work (John 6:29). Paul certainly would not exclude believing as a condition for salvation. So obviously the work that Paul is speaking of is...
  5. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    lol And just how do you know that?
  6. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    That is what you say. That is not what Jesus said. The "and" in that verse is conjunctive.
  7. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    Baptism is not a mechanism for salvation. Baptism is the occasion when the believer is saved. If one does not believe, then there is no such thing as baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin. Such a thing does not exist. It is an oxymoron. Even in the case of John's...
  8. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    Again, can you say that you have belief/faith in God and reject what God has said? I don't think so. In a couple of places, both Paul and Peter spoke of the fate of those who fail to obey the gospel: 2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who...
  9. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    It is not a false statement. Jesus never said, "You can be saved even if you are not baptized". Not stating baptism explicitly every time salvation is mentioned is not the same thing as stating that baptism is not necessary.
  10. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    You can't find anywhere in the NT where it is stated that water was not involved. There are, of course, many places where water is not specifically mentioned, but that does not preclude water being involved. That can come only from your own personal interpretation.
  11. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    I am not certain that under the New Covenant that baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation; however, I am certain that God, through His written word, the Bible, has promised that those who believe and are baptized will be saved. Nowhere has He stated that those who believe but are not...
  12. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    None of those passages negate the other passages that clearly identify baptism as the point in time in the life of the believer when his sins are forgiven and he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. So it comes down to what it means to "simply believe/place faith in Jesus Christ for...
  13. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    So?
  14. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    Jesus was free to perceive the thief's acknowledgement of Jesus' divinity and grant salvation to him accordingly. There was the entire family of Old Testament saints who were saved without the benefit of baptism. But that was under the Old Covenant. We are under a New Covenant inaugurated at...
  15. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    That battle really hasn't been ongoing for 2000 yrs. It really began with Huldrych Zwingli in the early 1500's who tried desperately to remove baptism from any connection with salvation. Until that point, nearly the whole of Christendom acknowledged the connection. There was even before...
  16. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    The thief on the cross was under the Old Covenant. The entire family of OT saints were not water baptized; so using such individuals as a rebuttal to the New Covenant requirement of water baptism is invalid.
  17. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    I think the connection of salvation with being water baptized is well documented in the NT. It began with John the Baptist's preaching a water baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. At least that is the first recorded occasion.
  18. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    Who said anything about Balaam's ass being saved? Do you have the spiritual gift of tongues? What do you think it is? The spiritual gift of tongues is just one of the many signs, wonders and miracles given by God to all manner of folks throughout time. The first recorded one seems to be...
  19. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    How have I been dishonest with Acts 10:42-47? And I haven't asked you to trust me. I wouldn't expect you to. However, trust A T Robertson all you want. Just know that there are many other Greek "experts" who would not.
  20. J

    OSAS being False Doctrine!

    Just where do you learn that?