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I as well appreciate you're comments, but I wouldn't be to quick to judge. When an individual does not see something that is written, and one does, it does not make either wrong. Their at different levels of understanding, religion on the other hand will have none of that, they need their...

You have to work the word really hard to do away with the multitude of scripture that has the old man crucified in Christ. Correction; that was to read you not I.

Just Romans 7, Paul is looking now from the in Christ position to describe the old sin nature, which has been interpreted by many as still being the Christians nature, he is speaking retrospectively.

Matter of interpretation, you are seeing alot of what has happened to you but it takes some study to see the difference in natures and the believer totally free from the sin natue. I dont think I have ever heard of Andrew F. I will say there is a worldwide move of God where believers are seeing...

I'm not sure I understand your question

In leau of the subject of nature's we have been discussing, I believe Romans 7 to be the most eye opening book in the bible. Prerequisites to understanding Romans 7; I would point out that the believer also must keep in mind when studying Romans 7, that from the onset of creation you're Father's...

Those scriptures do not say they knew they had a sin nature, all they knew was they sinned. It is a matter of understanding, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, you are free to follow what you understand.

No problem I was trying to get what you were saying and didnt make since, got it now I post crazy stuff all the time ✌

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What I see is we get the full Christ when we are born again (birthed ), it is the soul-mind being renewed to the facts. That puts Paul as possibly the most important writer to the new creation Christian. Thanks for your reply it really is a good idea to look at scripture from this standpoint...

It is very rare I do this when writing but our dear sister "beta" brought up a good point about the birthing. Her point being; it is not brought up much about gestation or some other natural act we know takes place in natural child birth. When we look at scripture we see the same thing happening...

I'm saying it is not recorded as Paul recorded it, they knew they sinned, were sinners but know one knew (Jew or Gentile) they did what they did by their nature. Not until it was revealed to Paul mankind had a sin nature. That was part of the revelations he was given by our risen Lord. Paul had...

When they failed to obey God they thought they had failed to obey the law of God, they had no idea what caused the disobedience. No man did, that is a main point in OP to show until Paul we knew nothing about a nature. They knew they sinned but didnt know why, Romans 7:14-15 13 Was then that...

Nothing that Israel was instructed to do in the Old Testament to be acceptable to God, ever destroyed (killed out) the sin nature. They did not even know they had a sin nature, they knew they sinned but did not know they had a sin nature compelling them. Abraham had great faith to do things for...

Salvation is a free gift to all that will receive it. Salvation happened at the cross and is the greatest event to ever take place in this world. It is the fullfilling of the great and glorious plan of the Father before the foundation of the world, Eph. 1:4 4 According as he hath chosen us in...

Nature comes from a father, the life is in the seed, Gal. 3:16 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. This of course describes a birthing, which also means that the source of the birthing is...

Ephesians 1:1-3 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had...

When we look at the full context of how God uses the world, somewhere, somehow the idea has snuck into modern thinking that this is the devil's world. God created all things, if the argument that it is a fallen world and belongs to the devil, I would contend that all things work together for the...

To do evil is sin, not evil in and of itself because God created it, but He did not create sin, Isaiah 45:7 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Yes that's true, but evil is not sin, the scripture says God created evil.