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The bodily resurrection of Christ proclaims God’s triumph over the forces of evil, and its clear what will happen when He comes again.
Look at what is says...
John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 24:15
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
I see. Fair enough.
For me personally, I interpret the following verse as showing Body, Soul and Spirit as a Trinity and as separate distinct entities...
1 Thessalonians 5:23
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"
I'm a big Trinity fan... so sue me lol.
I would like to offer my view on the word 'destroyed', based on not only Scripture but the world around us.
Whenever something is 'destroyed' it's never 100%. There is always something left over.
For example: When a building is destroyed, it doesn't magically disappear. There is rubble left over.
When an object is burned, generally speaking, ashes are left behind.
In Science, Energy is not destroyed but transferred...
"This law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another"
Conservation of energy - Wikipedia
Thus, the point I'm making is that whatever gets thrown into the Lake of Fire has a 'remnant' piece leftover that God now has to do something with.
I believe that remnant piece is the Spirit (after Body and Soul are destroyed).
It's what God does with the leftovers that, in my humble opinion, is the Elephant in the Room no one wants to talk about.
Scripture says it gets transferred. In other words, it gets re-purposed...
Ecclesiastes 1:9
"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun"
We are caught in an endless cycle. A loop of time if you will. If One takes the above verse literally (as I do), then that means we were here before. We didn't 'cut the mustard'. We were re-purposed... just as Jesus teaches.
The only thing different this time around is that we found the escape route.
Scripture calls this re-purposing 'Mystery of Iniquity'.
Jesus is the way out. Amen.
I do believe that those who do not believe in conscious eternal torment are more likely to take a chance on eternity...after all, the worst that will happen to them is that they will forever lose consciousness...and that might even be considered to be eternal bliss by some. Certainly not a punishment; and those who disagree with what the Bible says based on their view of who God is may not be realizing that they are making an idol out of their understanding of who God is...but that they are not worshiping the one true YHWH.
As a matter of fact they do not mean the same thing, since death needs to be properly defined. If you are referring to the Second Death, then yes, perish, damnation, and the Second Death are all equivalent -- eternal damnation in the Lake of fire.Is there a difference?....I think not. Perish, damnation, death....all mean the same thing.
No, the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment is not Biblical. It's a Greek doctrine that is propped up by a mistranslation of the Greek word "aion". Aion does not mean eternal.Or do the wicked perish instead?
As a matter of fact they do not mean the same thing, since death needs to be properly defined. If you are referring to the Second Death, then yes, perish, damnation, and the Second Death are all equivalent -- eternal damnation in the Lake of fire.
Physical death is the separation of the soul and spirit from the body. Those who are in Christ go to be with Christ (in Heaven). Those who are not in Christ go to Hades (formerly Sheol). Souls do not go six feet under and *sleep* (as many believe mistakenly).
The wily foe reinterprets the plain straight forward pronouncements of God to suit his own agenda of deception.Actually...DEATH has several meanings...
Dependant upon:
A Carnal Minds Understanding
AND
A Spiritual Understanding.
Death in the Carnal sense, means secession of physical Life.
Death in the Spiritual sense, also means secession of physical Life.
Death in the Spiritual sense, also means separation from God.
Death in the Spiritual sense, also means a Temporary separation from God.
Death in the Spiritual sense, also means a Permanent separation from God.
Damination means exclusively a Permanent separation from God.
Perish means to suffer a violent death.
A man WHO submits to experiencing a DEATH with Christ, is Crucified with Christ.
Crucifixion IS a Violent Death, Yet Jesus' BODY suffered that VIOLENT DEATH, in our stead....and a man does not suffer that SAME violent DEATH to Become Crucified WITH Christ.
And when a man submits to being Crucified With Christ...that man is submitting to being IN Christ...and FOREVER ALIVE...
thus that man IS NEVER Subjected to the Spiritual Death of Separation from God.....Nor Perishing...Nor Damnination.
God Bless,
Taken
I do believe that those who do not believe in conscious eternal torment are more likely to take a chance on eternity...after all, the worst that will happen to them is that they will forever lose consciousness...and that might even be considered to be eternal bliss by some. Certainly not a punishment; and those who disagree with what the Bible says based on their view of who God is may not be realizing that they are making an idol out of their understanding of who God is...but that they are not worshiping the one true YHWH.
Maybe, maybe not.
It's said Esau wept when he realized he'd lost the blessing he expected. His punishment was forever, but he didn't weep forever.
No, the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment is not Biblical. It's a Greek doctrine that is propped up by a mistranslation of the Greek word "aion". Aion does not mean eternal.
And that street runs both ways..you are preaching to yourself...
God in His own good time will reveal all of His nature...and many will have to hang their head in shame at how they judged Him to be.
I know well our friend @brakelite and I know where Hes coming from, but " in a twinkling of an eye we will all be changed", than there will be no more sinI never did, but hey... congratulations on putting words into my mouth I never said.
Great, keep going with the deception. That is NOT my position.
Of course.
Be careful what you wish for. We are ALL sinners here.
If you wish to be gone completely, that's none of my business.
By the way...
Your earlier post towards me was very insulting. If you disagree with what I said, then post verses to back it up as I do.
No, the doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment is not Biblical. It's a Greek doctrine that is propped up by a mistranslation of the Greek word "aion". Aion does not mean eternal.
“Their Worm Dieth Not”
If we do a search throughout the Bible [KJB] for “worm” or “worms”, we see that it has several definitions:
So then, what does “their worm dieth not” mean?
For our "present truth" brethren: