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This is nonsense. Does God plan rape? Did God plan the fall of man? Of course not. Show me where scripture says God plans evil.

No, it comes from scripture. The words prevenient and preventing come from a Latin root word that means to precede. Prevenient or preventing grace then is simply the grace that comes before. Before what? Justifying grace. John 12:32 declares that all men are drawn to Christ. John 16:8-11 we...

But in the passage I quoted God was talking to his nation Israel, not to saved gentiles in the future. So all this is irrelevant to the discussion of the Isaiah verse.

Not if your first statement is correct. If God is chosing some for salvation, by default he is choosing the rest for damnation. And if I am chosen, that means someone else is chosen for damnation because of me being saved. Paul says he could wish to be damned if it saved his fellow Jews...

So belief [cometh] of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. That's exactly what it says. Belief comes by hearing the gospel. Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. New Living Translation So faith comes from hearing...

This is irrelevant. We are talking doctrine, not science. Besides, everyone pretty much accepted the geocentric theory at the time, not just the church.

The problem is that they are committed to rejecting what they do not want to hear. Their intent overrides all evidence, logic, and spiritual humility (John 7:17). Jesus has pointed out that these men have access to the Scriptures (John 5:39–40), have witnessed His miracles (John 5:36; John 8:18...

Oh, the doublespeak! Yes, God says he can do as he wishes in response to Israel's rebellion. But you have not really answered at all. Allowing something to happen is far different than planning it. As I already said, God is making his plans in response to what He knows men will do. That's what...

You are also assuming your interpretation is correct up against thousands of years of Christian thought saying otherwise. That alone should make you doubt your interpretation.

How would I know? I'm not God. But from what we are told, I believe God being perfectly just, cannot deny himself from blessing those who pursue him.

It was God's plan for Sodom to be an evil city? God perhaps deliberately loses an argument with Abraham, but his omniscience isn't the point. He obviously makes his plans based on what men will do. So you can not just keep claiming everything is his plan. Not when scripture says otherwise. He...

You are misinterpreting You are misinterpreting what I said, as I expected. I'm not specifically chosen any more than any human is. I already explained prevenient grace to avoid your coming to this conclusion. God initiates contact, yes, but the only advantage I had was being born in a...

So you admit that is what you have been doing?

I fail to see what this has to do with the topic. I think you still miss the point. Again, did God will Israel's rebellion? Straight answer, please.

Vessels of wrath=disobedient Jews. Why would he have to endure with great patience if he had just created them to be damned? Answer: He didn't. The Vessels of mercy=repentant gentiles and repentant Jews.

Because that's what you've been doing every time I see you on this forum or the other. At least you are consistently wrong, lol. What law are you trying to keep? The Old Covenant law isn't in effect anymore. Jesus took care of it once and for all. Besides, you can't keep the Levitical law even...

Trying to use Romans to justify yourself by the law is like trying to lay in the snow during a blizzard to get a tan.

Read the verse before that one.if you depend on the law, your faith is meaningless.

You said I was far out without any explanation. Kinda pointless comment, don't you think?

What is hard to understand about the verse? There's no magic zap by God causing some chosen few to believe. If we hear the word and respond with faith we will be saved. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but...