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  1. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    What? Which "blessed" Law of Moses was blessed in Eden? None. The "blessed" Law of Moses blessings (if there were such any) could only have been bestowed 2,500 years after Eden at Sinai. Only the seventh day was blessed in Eden and the mention of the seventh day Sabbath at Sinai was not setting...
  2. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    I am saying that our inability to replace "the law" with "Old Covenant" in Romans 3:31 KJV should immediately arrest the attention of truth seekers who are willing to scrutinize the cherished idea that "the Old Covenant was the law and therefore the law passed away with the Old Covenant". To...
  3. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    While it is clear that before Exodus 16, there is no record of anyone but God resting on the seventh day, the question is was the Sabbath created in Eden when there were no shadows of darkness because all was light? Many say "no", but please consider this: God would not bless the seventh day...
  4. Phoneman777

    SCOTUS and Christians

    How is it that many Christians are in support of this latest Supreme Court landmark ruling on gay "marriage" when you consider that the principle sin of Sodom was sodomy, an abomination to which history has given over the very name of an entire city characterized by the same, and consequently...
  5. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    Brother, there are two kinds of people in the world: those who love and obey God and those who are lost. The obedient love Him and consequently are empowered by Him to turn from sin. Those who refuse to obey Him are lost because they lack the desire and power to obey that Jesus provides to...
  6. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    The seventh day Sabbath rest was created in Eden as a memorial to Creation when there was no sin - there were no shadows because all was light. The "sabbath shadows" you speak of were the "feast days" which were instituted "besides the (weekly) Sabbaths of the Lord thy God." Leviticus 23:37-38...
  7. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    OK, have it your way. However, I cannot debate anyone who claims that "Old Covenant" is interchangeable with "the Law" because Romans 3:31 KJV proves this popular idea false. The Ten Commandments remain for Christians to obey because they love Jesus, and those who refuse to keep them evidence...
  8. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    The axiom is "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." The problem is not that anyone here is convinced against his will - the problem is that some here are convinced against His will. There is simply no justification in claiming that the Ten Commandments do not apply...
  9. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    F2F, the claim you made that the Old Covenant is the Law is a major point of contention, so please stop clouding the discussion with other ideas that we can get to later and focus on this, OK? What is your comment regarding our inability to replace "the Law" with "Old Covenant" in Romans 3:31...
  10. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    Jesus is our sinless Example which we as Christians are to emulate, both in word, which includes such absolutism, and deed.
  11. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    FTF, are you still claiming that the Old Covenant is the Law in light of what I've shown you in Romans 3:31 where I'd demonstrated that "Old Covenant" cannot replace the words "the Law"? Let's stick to one point at a time, if you don't mind.
  12. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    Jesus spoke in such terms of absolutism. "He that is not with Me is against Me." "If ye love Me, keep My commandments." "No man can serve two masters." Too many to list, really.
  13. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    Will you please stop arguing against "salvation by works" because no one here is claiming that to be the case. You have been told this several times.
  14. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    No, you do not keep the commandments of Christ because Christ is the God Who wrote the Ten Commandments at Sinai, understand? It was CHRIST Who said that the seventh day Sabbath is to be kept holy and will be kept holy for all eternity. You can't claim to have true love for God while knowingly...
  15. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    I'd believe you if James didn't tell you and me to continue looking in the law as one looks continually into a mirror, if Paul didn't say that we are examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith according to that which makes our sin known to us: the law. The idea that grace demands that we...
  16. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    F2F, there's no tightrope, really, unless the reason for lawkeeping is the attempt to gain salvation. However, the Bible is clear that deliberate lawbreaking will disqualify us for kingdom citiizenship, which is such an unwelcome prospect that some here have gone to extreme lengths to deny the...
  17. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    I was hoping for a response regarding the popular idea that "the Old Covenant was the Law", which I think I have shown plainly from Romans 3 to not stand the test of Scripture. Do you have a comment regarding the attempt to replace "the law" with "Old Covenant" in Romans 3:31? The curse of the...
  18. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    The Spirit does not killeth the Letter, it MAGNIFIES it. (Isaiah 42:21 KJV)
  19. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    It is popularly taught, as you so demonstrate here, that the Old Covenant = the law. This is not Biblical. Such a bold statement as this requires Biblical proof. If "Old Covenant" and "the law" are one in the same, we should be able to swap the one for the other in Romans 3:31 KJV without...
  20. Phoneman777

    Sabbath-Keeping

    Amen, salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus as BOTH our Savior from sin AND our Lord to be obeyed. Those who do not want Jesus as their LORD neither want Him as their Savior from sin, but rather their savior while they remain IN sin. This is not an option.