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Yep that’s right we don’t pray to the word of God which means the Word of God is not the word of God. They are not the same and Peter is not talking about the Word of God. What I don’t understand is why would you fight against what is written. That makes no sense to me.

Not according to Peter. 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for

The qualifications of salvation are here and born again isn’t on the list. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Do you pray to your Bible?

In my opinion it’s like saying — Come, I will show you the bridegroom, and then I showed you a Lamb. Would you conclude the bridegroom is an animal?

If a person is saved they are eternally saved.

Can you show me in the Bible where it says you are not saved if your not born again?

Let’s me ask you directly. Are we born again by Jesus or the scriptures? In other words is the word of God in this verse Jesus or the scriptures? 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

How to be saved: Act 16:29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, Act 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? How to be born again: 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of...

I agree with those that are born again are saved but what I’m saying is that those who are saved may or may not be born again. It’s up to the believer to take that next step which is putting 100% faith in the Bible as written.

I believe you said born again and saved are the same thing. I could be wrong. I’m working and chatting at the same time lol.

It’s the scripture. You added the capital W to word of God to make it say something that it doesn’t.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. This verse verse tells us how a person is born again so am asking you how does that verse say that a person is born again.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. How does that verse say a person is born again?

No it’s seeing past bad doctrine. You can’t defend your position from the Bible and I know you can’t because that’s how I learned that being born again and saved are two completely different things.

Not according to the Bible. The Bible says you’re born again by the incorruptible word of God. I was an atheist when I was saved 30 years ago, I knew nothing about the word of God and neither does any new believer.

It’s both. Literal things happen to symbolic things.

As you said, those Galatians were saved believers — yet Paul is still travailing to birth Christ in them, which means Christ was not yet formed in them at that point. It goes back to the discussion you and I had a while back where I said born again and saved are two different things.

I think the city is symbolic of the people. Revelation is given in symbolic language, and it interprets its own symbols constantly — the seven stars are the angels of the churches, the waters are peoples and multitudes, the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. So when the angel says...

I agree with that but it doesn't explain how heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of us all. Here is an example of a member of heavenly Jerusalem travailing to birth Christ in a believer. Christ is birthed through preaching the word by a person located on this earth. Galatians 4:19 My little...