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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Galatians 4:26 says Jerusalem above is "the mother of us all," written to living believers. How is she their mother if she's made of people who have died?
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    Saudi Nuke Deal

    Some people need to start reading international weather weapons treaties. sml
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Ephesians 5:31, the twain shall be one flesh, and Paul says he speaks concerning Christ and the church. Can you explain how that isn’t a marriage?
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Sticking with Revelation 21 as you asked. Verse 9 — "Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife." Then verse 10 shows him the city. That's the passage identifying the two as the same thing. Nothing in the chapter says the bride enters. Verse 24 says the nations and the kings of...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    In Revelation how do you decide whether something is literal or symbolic?
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Paul calls Jerusalem which is above "the mother of us all" (Gal 4:26). Can a city be a mother? He's contrasting two Jerusalems there — the one which now is, in bondage with her children, and the one above, which is free. Both are described as women with children. Neither is being described as...
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    According to Genesis 3: 16-19 what your take on these scriptures?

    I'd say the woman represents the church and Adam represents Christ. Paul says as much — Ephesians 5:31–32 quotes Genesis on the two becoming one flesh and then says he speaks concerning Christ and the church. And Romans 5:14 calls Adam the figure of him that was to come. Eve was deceived and...
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    Flat Earth Theory

    This one I will debate. The context is the time of Jacobs trouble and the second coming of Christ. Obviously speaking of Christ coming at the resurrection in with all power and great glory.
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    Flat Earth Theory

    You know I love you sister. You will never be my enemy and same to @doctrox and @David in NJ. That being said, I’m done with flat earth debate, it’s divisive and serves no purpose and one side will never move the other side.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Paul says we're baptized into one body, and a few verses later says we are the body of Christ. He's describing the same people two ways — as the thing itself, and as those who are brought into it. Ephesians 2:19–22 puts it plainest. Paul says we're no longer strangers but fellow citizens and...
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    @WPM makes a good point there. "The New Jerusalem is not just described as a city, it is also described as being the bride of Christ." The heavenly Jerusalem isn't a literal city — it's a spiritual city, made up of the bride of Christ. The people are the city.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    Then why would you argue my point then? Do you think these verses are talking about a future event? Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning...
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    Flat Earth Theory

    Scripture interprets Scripture means clear passages help you understand unclear ones. It doesn't mean you take a verse about the sun's circuit and use it to decide whether "four corners" is literal. Those verses aren't about the same thing. Whether "four corners" is a figure of speech is...
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    Flat Earth Theory

    Joshua said stop the sun and moon. God did it. But the mechanism isn't given — the text says what happened in the sky, not what moved to make it happen. A flat earther will say the sun stopped moving. A globe believer will say the earth stopped spinning. Both produce the same thing in the sky...
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    Flat Earth Theory

    Agreed. You read "shall not be moved" as steadfastness, not physical position. Nobody thinks David was nailed to the ground. Same Hebrew phrase in Psalm 93:1 and 96:10. And in 1 Chronicles 16:30 it's David himself using it of the world. So what tells you it flips to physical position there?
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    Flat Earth Theory

    Psa 16:8 — "I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved." Does that verse mean David's body was bound in place?
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    Flat Earth Theory

    The Hebrew word for circle is translated as “a circuit” in the book of Job. The earths orbit is also a circuit doesn’t that prove the earth orbits around the sun? I’m being facetious but this same logic is how flat earthers “prove” the earth is flat.
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    Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

    The lamb and the lions are symbols. The new is the new man, it’s not symbolic of anything, it’s a new creation in the believer. So the example you give doesn’t work. Now what I don’t understand is why do you question the fact the new man is created by a union between the believer and Christ...
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    Prayer for new Mel Gibson Movie

    Exactly! The passion of the Christ movie had a Jesus with his right eye darkened. Zec 11:17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
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    Flat Earth Theory

    I don’t understand you sometimes David.