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QUOTE: "You do not have any verses to prove what you say, none. Look I do not present a "doctrine" I present scripture, ill say the same to you as I said to taken this morning. rebuilder, the words of Christ are very clear and should not be denied, either you believe what jesus said or you do...

What part are you addressing? Margaret was a postribber. She believed inspite of scripture that the church needed to go through the trib for cleansing. ( I did research on it, because I saw how postribbers actually edited out her position. Her dream was pretrib rapture. Her postrib mind could...

....sad that they lean towards cessationist editing. I wonder what that fate is for tampering with the bible. Dan Wallace....a pawn of hell. That modification has left you with doubting the word of God. The spirit operating in the modern translations has that goal....to bring doubt into God's...

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And...

Rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and...

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Yes that is what I quoted you as saying " no secret coming". How would you be someone else? The pretrib rapture is not a secret coming, so we both agree. I am only centering on what Jesus said. Not an assumption of what someone thinks I believe. I believe if Jesus said it, I need to embrace it...

You will never, ever, see a postribber bring up that all die who refuse the mark. They do not even know it is there

QUOTE " to believe in a pre-tribulation coming is to ignore Jesus’ clear order of events and to invent something He never said. He called His people to be watchful and ready through hardship, not waiting for escape but for His glorious appearance when He comes in the clouds with His angels and...

And notice ALL POSTRIBS omit what the Bible brings in pretrib rapture verses. The reason we own end times is demonstrated in attempts by them to actually change the pretrib rapture verses.

What do you and "loveyeshua" do with Rev 14? Let me guess, Jesus is not sitting on a cloud holding a sickle. That "misprint", should actually read ,that Jesus is on a horse with an army , with no sickle in his hand . ( that will save the incorrect " one coming deal"?) Just plain bizarre where...

QUOTE " So, when people say Acts 1 shows a “pre-trib” coming, or that Matthew 24:40–41 means a secret rapture, they twist the order Jesus gave. The Lord’s message was never about escaping the test, but about standing firm through it" Lol, acts one in no way fits your analogy of omission. Your...

QUOTE: "In Revelation 19, Jesus comes on a white horse with the armies of heaven following Him. This is not a different coming from Matthew 24 — it is the same. Both describe Him appearing in power and glory, judging the nations, and rewarding the faithful. Revelation 19:11–16 shows Him as King...

from google search; "Yes, Daniel B. Wallace is a cessationist, meaning he believes that the "sign gifts" of the Holy Spirit, such as prophecy, healing, and speaking in tongues, ceased with the apostles. He is considered a classical or "hard" cessationist, who believes that while these specific...

From, watchtower online.org According to Mark 16 So when the Sabbath+ was over, Mary Magʹda·lene, Mary+ the mother of James, and Sa·loʹme bought spices in order to come and apply them to his body.+ 2 And very early on the first day of the week when the sun had risen, they came to the tomb.*+...

Lol At the last resurrection at the GWTJ, IT SAYS: "the sea gave up her dead" Stop acting like you alone have "truth" while guessing at the resurrection.

Investigation is not your enemy. Mat 24 ...."BEFORE THE FLOOD, ONE TAKEN/LEFT BEHIND" MAT 25....THE virgin parable. Vivid vivid depiction of the rapture....impossible to miss....and yet that parable is missing in EVERY postribbers testimony of end times. Rev 19...the white horse...

QUOTE ; "That is a FALSE rapture, not written in God's Word. I'm pretty sure you well know it too, because Jesus said otherwise in Matthew 24:29-31 where He showed His future return is AFTER... the "great tribulation" when He will gather His saints"" Thank you for that pretrib rapture verse...

Matt 24 has one taken, one left BEFORE THE FLOOD. Then 13 verses later in mat 25 Jesus says that same dynamic of half taken is depicted vividly. You can not honestly say it Is not there.

I even quoted the verses. It takes time to do what I did. Why not be real and take one of my points and discuss why it is so differently interpreted. What you are doing is like me insisting you post a verse saying " there is no postrib rapture" Instead I showed you a panoramic view that None of...